The Crystal Ball

[Icebear]

Originally Posted by ingsoc84

My last two cents..well..maybe 3...
First of all..there is a LOT I like about the game..the graphics are pretty stunning, the attention to detail is uncompromising..when sitting in the cockpit..no other game has ever reached this bar, and I do like the sounds. However, that being said..that is all well and good, but JUST eye candy, if the game itself does not run smoothly.
Robo mentioned NO game can run maxed out on computers made today..patently false, I can play crysis2 with Dx11 (much more taxing than Clods 9.0c) on my pc with all setting maxed, it plays wonderfully, Red orchestra 2 on all settings Ultra/war movie plays smoothly. So, that is just not true that todays pc's are incapable of running demanding games maxed out.
2. I have been playing flight sims since the days of the commdore 64 and the amiga..and have played probably every WW2 based since since then, so Im not new to flight sim. I am not "new" to this game..have been following its dev for the last 3/4 year when it was initially being worked on, and helped work on other games in Russia when I was living there, I bought this game when it came out..having seen it had been released in the UK first..with many problems, and thought sufficient time had passed to deal with them.

I have followed all the patches..technical threads, however, the bottom line is the game was/is just not what it was promised to be, and hearing a development team say they are reworking the entire graphics engine well after they have spent years on the game tells me someone got something very wrong. You dont spend 7 years designing and releasing a new Porsche then after its out on the market decide you need to rethink and replace the powertrain.
NOW, as a practicing attorney for last 25 years, I can tell you IMO the listing the recommended specs for this game as they were, and the minumum requirements borders of Fraud, thats just my opinion, others will disagree, but please unless you have a law degree and have practiced both criminal and civil law, your opinion may not carry much weight with me. Enticing others to buy a product by setting out min/recommended specs and then having the game fall short of even computers which exceed those guidelines IF nothing else is just ethically wrong. However, that is the world we live in today with software, and its not about to change THAT is the crux of my disappointment, I invest no small sum of cash in building a pc that should play this game effortlessly only to find out it does not, because somewhere along the line the developers decided the public was going to do the beta testing by means of general release, and we are the ones left holding the product which does not play as described, minus our money.
Those are my concerns, for now, the game gets shelved until something productive is released, and when Im flying in combat my FPS dont drop to 14, unacceptable.
Plenty of games being released every month, much more worthy of my time and money I hope, and I'll stick to those.

I fully agree with you, but so what? You gonna sue them? Who else if not an attorny with 25 years of practice in civil law?

Don't feed the the crystall ball.......

[Osprey]

Lawyers, they'll sort it all out for us.........

[ingsoc84]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Lawyers, they'll sort it all out for us.........

Before you dismiss attorneys as some sort of plague upon the world, I suggest you live in Russia two-five years, and see what a country is like that has NO legal redress for the citizens of the country, two extrems..the US and Russia..balance is needed for sure, but once you have lived and done business in a country void of any civil/criminal protections for people/business/instutions, you would understand why lawyers are necessary, AND the first person YOU will turn to when god forbid YOU should have a problem with the law.

Now, back on thread..is there ANY good news from the Russian sites?

[flyingblind]

There is one point people who endlessly bang on about the pre-sales hype compared to the released game always ignore when accusing the developers of fraud. I would not dispute that for whatever reasons or whoever was to blame the game was nowhere near as good as it should have been. But they are not a bunch of fly by nights who have trousered your 50 bucks and legged it. They are a group of dedicated enthusiasts who continue to invest considerable time and money to put things right. The game is already much improved and they have undertaken to continue the process. None of these updates have or will cost you anything. They will recoupe the outlay when the code is sorted and they can sell sequels.

The lawyers amongst us surely realise that you cannot sue unless you know who is responsible and that has never been clear.

If it is all really that bad I do not understand why people who feel so aggrieved continue to throw so much good time and effort after thier measly 50 bucks by being so negative on the forums and yet still perservering with the game. Could it be that they know perfectly well there is no alternative if they want a WWII flight combat sim? It seems like the only thing that matters is some point of principle.

It is like someone who has bought a house and found it has a major defect. The builder has agreed to demolish and rebuild it but all they care or complain about is that it can't be done in a month.

[Chivas]

GET OVER IT...the development ran out of money and released an unfinished product, with the full intention of finishing and providing another ten years of new theaters.

Yes the developers could have let everyone know it requires a Cray computer to run it and its not as finished as we'd hoped. BUT there is a big problem with that......NO ONE WOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT....atleast not enough to sustain the development.

The developer hasn't taken the money and run, they are still working overtime to finish it for us and themselves.

This is a very small genre and there is NOBODY else doing complex WW2 aircombat sims. The developer is made up combat flight sim enthusiasts, like us, that deserve alittle slack.

Its only a few dollars of investment with the possiblility of years of entertainment, from a development group with a history of providing quality products. They ran out of money and we've picked up the slack with a tiny investment that could get them thru the finishing of the game engine until the sale of their next addon.

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by Chivas

GET OVER IT...the development ran out of money and released an unfinished product, with the full intention of finishing and providing another ten years of new theaters.

Yes the developers could have let everyone know it requires a Cray computer to run it and its not as finished as we'd hoped. BUT there is a big problem with that......NO ONE WOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT....atleast not enough to sustain the development.

The developer hasn't taken the money and run, they are still working overtime to finish it for us and themselves.

This is a very small genre and there is NOBODY else doing complex WW2 aircombat sims. The developer is made up combat flight sim enthusiasts, like us, that deserve alittle slack.

Its only a few dollars of investment with the possiblility of years of entertainment, from a development group with a history of providing quality products. They ran out of money and we've picked up the slack with a tiny investment that could get them thru the finishing of the game engine until the sale of their next addon.

Yes Chivas, but they havent admitted that have they? Also the fact that you are still frantically defending them in general is sad.

[ingsoc84]

Originally Posted by Icebear

I fully agree with you, but so what? You gonna sue them? Who else if not an attorny with 25 years of practice in civil law?

Don't feed the the crystall ball.......

I'm not suing anyone, first you need DAMAGES..what are my damages? 50 dollars? not worth my time effort nor any other attorneys, it just isn't. Sue a Russian company? I lived there..there is NO rule of law there, its as corrupt as it gets, and leads the world as "the most corrupt Country", last year surpassing Zimbawe for that honor.As to the "so what aspect"..it just means "we got hosed" and have to live with it...and next time..LOOK before I leap purchasing one of these games, means I won't purchase till at least 6 months after the date, and have fully read the forums to discern whining from real complaints. As a final thought, so what does not excuse bad conduct on behalf of the dev's/publisher, but then..as most of us over 30 know...NOTHING in life is fair

[Icebear]

Originally Posted by ingsoc84

I'm not suing anyone, first you need DAMAGES..what are my damages? 50 dollars? not worth my time effort nor any other attorneys, it just isn't. Sue a Russian company? I lived there..there is NO rule of law there, its as corrupt as it gets, and leads the world as "the most corrupt Country", last year surpassing Zimbawe for that honor.As to the "so what aspect"..it just means "we got hosed" and have to live with it...and next time..LOOK before I leap purchasing one of these games, means I won't purchase till at least 6 months after the date, and have fully read the forums to discern whining from real complaints. As a final thought, so what does not excuse bad conduct on behalf of the dev's/publisher, but then..as most of us over 30 know...NOTHING in life is fair

And again, I fully agree with you. My reply was intentionally a bit heretic Being far over 30 I remember those days when outstanding companies like MICROPOSE released games in nearly flawless condition. Do you remember this one ?

That's nearly 12 years ago and they released just one (1) patch of 457kb!

But nobody should believe that this is impossible today. Last week my nephew indicated that he would appreciate to get a copy of SKYRIM on Santa Claus. Due to my experience with Silent Hunter V and later on IL2 Cliffs of Dover I denied to buy a game released without a playable demo. Knowing that he is a little nag I decided to download Skyrim illegally and crack it first of all. I played around for about 1 hour with a system that was far below the minimum requiments provided by Bethesda. What should I say; it worked flawless, smooth with stunning graphics even with a 8800GTS and NO crashes.... Ten minutes later I ordered two copies from Amazon.

That's what I learned. Do I feel bad ? No way....

[JG52Uther]

Icebear I suggest you read the forum rules before you post again.

[Sven]

I just want to report in that with my 'medium' system I'm running Cliffs of Dover just fine, without any crashes or stutters and decent framerate ( ~ 30 - 35 or so )



My ingame settings are on normal/high. Everything from shadows,plane details damage ect. on high, but land detail is on normal.

I don't fly over london often as I'm a fighter but over the English coastal airfields and over the German fields in France my game is keeping up good. An increase in FPS is always welcome of course! But people claiming that this game is utterly broken can't be right.