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11-26-2011, 09:37 PM
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Suprise is that supressing elven crown was hardest battle, pretty tough towers and i only have magic dmg units in army so far, there was stack 30 ents with roots bonus very hard to kill with ghosts, and 1700 fairies made me problems with my ghosts reviving huge numbers after attacking them, also dryads and ents summoned thorns that started spreading like weed
 all over arena. On other hand kraken and spider bosses were breeze to kill with invisible inquisitors and phantomed ghosts. I get that you waned to transfer all Homm3 heroes in kid bonuses, but some just didnt seem right, so i pointed out couple. +2 moral/speed for all units seems to much. Unlimited retaliations for griffin/demon i just said no need to give it 2 times so maybe some other stat would do for those units. Necromancy bonus to undead should be keeping them alive, so HP/def/res, remove magic dmg/crit. Also undead have great bonus from dark commander skill, this is just it`s counterpart in magic skill tree. Undead have enough bonuses demons on other side not nearly enough, but they are also last race on player disposal so it`s tough build for them anyway. Penalty for towers : i saw 2 kids giving bonus in fight at sea and those are 15-20 at most, and when you get mirabella to marry you, i`m guessing all those fights are already over so you only can get kid to feed, not even possible to give him to adoption  So i thought about getting some kids that lower enemy stats : -2initiative or speed first round, -physical res( tactics- you prepared for battle in advance, so you slowed enemy unit reaction and movement, just expl). I didnt said this things just because heroes from homm3 transfer, but because you made some interesting things here so i gave some of my ideas. Giving bonuses to your units will help killing enemy( which is great for huge stacks warrior/paladin hero class), but lowering enemy stats will keep enemy away and your army alive (for smaller stacks and mage hero who do most work with spell).As for morale penalty for long battles you can make it last for 10-20-... how many rounds you want. You said no 4th page, 7th post `pbonus, dbonus, rbonus = stat_name, absolute, percent_current, percent_base, duration, delete_on_damage, priority` So how to set duration should be changing -100 to some other value i think. For elves i hope to have something more then just ghosts, i`m not planing to go killing dragons with them also. And soul drain i thought to work rise % of their dmg, but not more then number of killed units. You say you killed 33 troop, and got 32 ghosts, what about killing 400 devilfish, or i did 1 crit killing 650 peasants ? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ffs how do i get orcelyn ? I beat orc embassy, then killed dragon in basement , and i see flag above orc in front of it, but cant take quest. I dont remember what i need to do for that quest  Help ppl.
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11-26-2011, 11:39 PM
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Excellent comments as always!
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I'm going to review the bonuses - I think I might consider switching tactics to match what I did with the enemy heroes as that and a few other skills don't have analogs. By the way, here's the list of skills and their bonuses of what I did with them: Code:
Skill Basic Advanced Equivalent ==================================================================================================================================================================================================================================== Archery Ranged Attack: +10% Ranged Attack: +25% Ranged Damage: 2 * Skill Level * Child Level = % / +Skill Level Offense Melee Attack: +10% Melee Attack: +20% Melee Damage: 2 * Skill Level * Child Level = % / +Skill Level Armorer Damage: -5% Damage: -10% Defense: 2 * Skill Level * Chld Level = % Resistance Spell Failure: 5% Spell Failure: 10% Resist All: Skill Level * Child Level = % Leadership Morale: +1 Morale: +2 Same Luck: Luck: +1 Luck: +2 Critical Hit: 10 * Skill Level * Child Level = % Tactics 1 Placement / 3 Hexes 2 Placements / 5 Hexes Attack / Defense: 2 * Skill Level * Child Level = +% Artillery Ballista: 50% Double Damage Ballista: 75% Double Damage Ranged Unit Attack: 4 * Skill Level * Child Level = +% Ballistics Catapult: To Hit - 60% / Max Damage - 50% Two Shots Ranged Unit Defense: 4 * Skill Level * Child Level = +% First Aid Heal: +50 Heal: +75 Ally Health: 2 * Skill Level * Child Level = % Necromancy Resurrect: 10% of Enemy Resurrect: 20% of Enemy Undead LR: Skill Level * Child Level = -% Diplomacy Fleeing Creatures: 25% Join Fleeing Creatures: 50% Join Leadership: 2 * Skill Level * Child Level = % Estates Gold: +125/day Gold: +250/day Gold: 10 * Skill Level * Child Level = % Learning Combat Experience: 5% Combat Experience: 10% Combat Experience (includes spirits): 2 * Skill Level * Child Level = % Logistics Movement: +10% Movement: +20% Speed: +Skill Level to all troops Pathfinding No Penalty: Rough, 25% Sand/Snow, 50% Swamp No Penalty: Rough/Sand/Snow, 25% Swamp Initiative: +Skill Level to all troops Scouting View: +1 View: +2 Rage: 4 * Skill Level * Child Level = % Navigation Water Movement: +50% Water Movement: +100% IMS: +Skill Level @Sea, Krit: +Skill Level * Child Level * 8% Eagle Eye Learn Spells: 40% Level 2 and under Learn Spells: 50% Level 3 and under Intellect: 3 * Skill Level * Child Level = % Intelligence Mana: +25% Mana: +50% Mana: 4 * Skill Level * Child Level = % Mysticism Combat Mana Regeneration: +2 Combat Mana Regeneration: +3 Combat Mana Regeneration: +Skill Level Scholar Teach and Learn Spells Level 2 and under Teach and Learn Spells Level 3 and under Intelligence Power Factor: ( 2 * Skill Level * Child Level ) / ( 7 - ( Skill Level * 0.5 ) ) Sorcery Spell Power: +5% Spell Power: +10% Spell Power: 2 * Skill Level * Child Level = % Wisdom Learn Spells Level 3 and under Learn Spells Level 4 and under Intelligence Power = 4 * Skill Level * Child Level = +% Air Magic School Spells Cast at Basic Level School Spells Cast at Advanced Level Magic Resistance: 4 * Skill Level * Child Level Earth Magic School Spells Cast at Basic Level School Spells Cast at Advanced Level Physical Resistance: 4 * Skill Level * Child Level Fire Magic School Spells Cast at Basic Level School Spells Cast at Advanced Level Fire Resistance: 4 * Skill Level * Child Level Water Magic School Spells Cast at Basic Level School Spells Cast at Advanced Level Poison Resistance: 4 * Skill Level * Child Level Blood Lust Attack: +3 Attack: +6 Enhanced Berserk Cure Removes All Negative Effects, Heals: Power * 5+10 Removes All Negative Effects, Heals: Power * 5+20 Enhanced Magic Spring Magic Arrow Damage: Power * 10 + 10 Damage: Power * 10 + 20 Enhanced Magic Pole Axe Meteor Shower Damage: 7 Hex - Power * 25 + 25 Damage: 7 Hex - Power * 25 + 50 Enhanced Book of Evil Stone Skin Defense: +3 Defense: +6 Enhanced Stone Skin Haste Speed: +3 Speed: +5 Enhanced Haste and Battle Cry Bless Damage: Maximum Damage: Maximum + 1 Enhnaced Bless Weakness Enemy Attack: -3 Enemy Attack: -6 Enhanced Weakness Frost Ring Damage: 6 Hex - Power * 10 + 15 Damage: 6 Hex - Power * 10 + 30 Enhanced Geyser Prayer Attack, Defense, Speed: +2 Attack, Defense, Speed: +4 Enhanced Divine Armor Ice Bolt Damage: Power * 20 + 10 Damage: Power * 20 + 20 Enhanced Ice Snake Slayer Attack: +8 vs Behemoths, Dragons, and Hydras Attack: +8 vs Behemoths, Dragons, Hydras, Angels, and Demons Enhanced Demon and Dragon Slayer Fireball Damage: 7 Hex - Power * 10 + 15 Damage: 7 Hex - Power * 10 + 30 Enhanced Fireball Death Ripple Damage: All Non Undead Power * 5 + 10 Damage: All Non Undead Power * 5 + 20 Enhanced Plague and Poison Skull Hypnotize Controls Troop less Than Power * 25 + 10 Controls Troop less Than Power * 25 + 20 Enhanced Hypnotize Firewall Damage: 2 Hex - Power * 10 + 10 Damage: 3 Hex - Power * 10 + 20 Enhanced Phoenix Sulfur Sulfur: +1/day Enhanced Demon Portal Mercury Mercury: +1/day Enhanced Phantom Crystal Crystal: +1/day Enhanced Lina Orb Inferno Damage: 19 Hex - Power * 10 + 20 Damage: 19 Hex - Power * 10 + 40 Enhanced Flame Arrow and Fire Rain Resurrection Resurrect: Power * 50 + 40 Health of Creatures Resurrect: Power * 50 + 80 Health of Creatures Enhanced Resurrection Gold Gold: +350/day Chest Gold: 10 * Child Level = +% Fortune Increases Luck of Allied Target by 1 Increases Luck of Allied Target by 2 Add to Luck Skill Chain Lightning Damage: Power * 40 + 25, then half up to 4 Damage: Power * 40 + 50, then half up to 5 Enhanced Lightning Disrupting Ray Reduces Target Defense by 3 Reduces Target Defense by 4 Enhanced Helplessness Right now I think Tactics is a good candidate. 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I think about all you could do is reduce Tower Health, Defense, and Initiative. I'm not sure how to do anything else at the moment. By the way, I'm not sure if you noticed, but all 3 of Zerock's damaging abilities do double damage to Towers! So there is a bonus there. Yah - those are good comments for mage. I'll look into what to do for other negative effects. I think tactics I'll do like I did with the enemy heroes and have it reduce enemy unit's speed -1 for Tactics and then initiative -1 (with speed) for Advanced Tactics. Lacus is the only baby with Advanced Tactics. If a wife has more than 1 baby with Tactics then 1 will be -speed and the other -initiative. Quote:
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I know that he won't offer the Embassy "quest" unitl after you've talked to King Mark about sailing to Elinia. I'm not sure what happens, though, if you get into the Embassy first. Well, thanks again for the comments! /C\/C\
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11-27-2011, 02:44 AM
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Since you removed undead -lds from glory, at least leave it in necromancy skill.
I know about zerock`s abilities, but have no idea how to use their scripts in giving bonus to kids Soul drain i thought like description of necro call spell : it rises certain amount hp, but no more units then killed stack. So soul drain gives ghosts something like 30-40% of dealt dmg, but no more then number of killed units. As you said lower of those two.
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11-28-2011, 11:47 AM
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You sly dog
Now i get it what you meant, i dont know what is waiting for me in elven lands. Not even soul drain saved my ghosts against some swarms of sprites, and ent/en2 wooden talent is to much i think 50/80/50% physical/poison/magic res is OP in my opinion(maybe lower phy/magic res 20-30% would be acceptable). Also you said you didnt add any penalties as kid`s bonuses, but first elven hero Sonya 29 int, and -60% magic res to all my units(had to leave all units in castle except black dragons to f..k her up), werewolf hero in elven underground -40% physical res to my units(he`s still alive, i`m waiting to get stronger black hole, i know that`s so gay ), almost all dwarf heroes -1 speed to my units.That`s what i meant about implementing tactics from homm3 heroes, instead giving speed to ally, lower enemy speed in first 1-2 turns. Forgot to mention : 1) resurrection works on undead with necromancy skill, so it`s OK. 2) when i lvlup gizmo and cast it in battle next time it freezes game, and i hvae to load which is no problem just saying it`s something with gizmo. I checked lina.atom in your mod files but cant figure it out 3) figured out orc embassy quest, i just had to go to elven lands first to talk with king there, and then i got orc wife. 4) i just now figured out that original ghosts had physical dmg, but you changed it to magic. why that ? with necromancy bonus it`s sick for 3rd lvl unit to have 9-13 dmg. I returned it back, and removed magic dmg bonus for all undead, i leave only for necromancers now. Last edited by Fatt_Shade; 11-28-2011 at 03:16 PM.
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11-28-2011, 05:55 PM
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Now you're starting to get to the good stuff!
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Ancient Ents are 40% Physical Resist and 75% Magic. The reason why they have high Magic Resistance is because of the Tree of Life. I figured that they hadn't fallen far from that Tree! /C\/C\ Quote:
Now I think you can see that these heroes aren't slouches any more, but have a system similar to yours. Mage enemy hero's Destroyer Skill drops one of your resistances up to 50% @ level 3! So be careful when fighting enemy Mage hero's. How can you tell which class is which by the way? Warrior heroes have more Attack than their other abilities, Paladin's Attack, Defense, and Intellect are all roughly the same, and Mage heroes have a lot more Intellect than their other abilities and noticebly more mana. Yah, the next thing I'm going to work on is switching HOMM3 babies with tactics to work like I did with the enemy heroes, but I'll make them last the whole combat I think. Quote:
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So did you marry Orcelyn or did you stick with Rina? Her dialogue's a bit weak right now so I'll have to work on it to make it more interesting! Quote:
You're now officially in the fun part of the game! Not that the early part isn't fun, but just liike your hero isn't the most powerful at the start of the game, neither are the enemy heroes. But once you start to get more powerful, so do they! Well, now that I'm back to work this week, I won't have as much time to work on it, but I'll make the Tactics skill changes to the HOMM3 babies over the course of the week. I'll also try to continue my game - you're ahead of me now! Such is the life of a modder! 
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11-28-2011, 11:30 PM
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About ents i though and it`s ok as you said, and they initiative is so low, almost every turn act last so they need something positive. Nice idea for it.
For enemy heroes lowering my resistances it`s ok in general, makes game harder later in game (elven lands, demonis, gray wastelands), but problem is there is few items/kid`s to protect your army with resistances, and even they are not enough. As i mentioned for Sonya dryad hero in elf lands 29 int, lowered my magic res by 60%, double lightning cast/turn (she even cast lightning on my invisible inquisitors ???), and 40 mana regen/turn it`s not question of tactics, it only question how many black dragons you can lead to beat the bitch(even red dragons got ripped to shreds against her) I thought about switching to orcelyn to try her out, but i`m mage with low att and lds, and orcs are mainly oriented to brute force so i think it wouldnt be interesting. And i already spend to much runes on dark commander skill, so i`ll w8 for xeona to switch wife (i have savegame so i`ll try orcelyn also just to get 4 kids to see how it turn out, but my main play is undead later going to demons). Couple of questions : 1) I crosschecked kid`s and feanora/gerda/neoka dont have any kind with addexp for hero or spirits. Rina have 2, also xeona and other have 1. Any plan to even kid`s out so every wife have at least 1 for this bonus ? 2) And have you figured out how to add some kid rage inflow bonus ? 3) Thought`s for adding -res% for destroyer skill ? like enemy hero`s obviously have. I have 31int, with 3rd lvl destroyer skill ,and geyser spell only 900-1800 dmg. Low comparing to 29 int sonya`s devestating my army earlier. I know how to do it, but you already changed some enemy heroes, so i ask what you think. 4) how`s going changing necro call to resurrect undead units, instead using order spell for it. it doesnt seem right it`s used on living units ,not corpses I have necro call long time ago but almost never use it. 5) you missed vampires to warrior iron fist skill. Last edited by Fatt_Shade; 11-29-2011 at 12:04 AM.
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11-29-2011, 02:42 AM
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Rock, Paper, Scissors!
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By the way, I think I have noticed the AI having a slightly different set of rules with targeting units with spells, kind of like how their Black Dragon's can take a burn path that's more optimal than we can manually. The thing about the later part of the game is it becomes a little bit more rock, scissors, paper and you can be using units that have a weakness in a certain resistance and then it will get exposed. This is how we all play as well - we exploit the weaknesses of our opponents (how many Ghosts did you generate)? Actually though, Neoka has +20% Magic Resistance, and then the Mirror Armor (or whatever its called) is another +15 I think. Also, I think Neoka has a baby or two with Resistance which is another +5 Resist All. So this is what I was referring to before. You know, the strategy for all the King's Bounty games has been find a group of units you like and then you pretty much stick with them for most of the game. Now you have to strategize and the wives and children can help you get past tough battles and Sonya (if memory serves) is only a Level 23 hero. Imagine when you face a triple caster! Yikes! I want my mommy! Also, I hope you have a plan to get (or already have) Higher Magic - that will turn you into a real mage! You'll get some double casting, too! Remember I said no loss on Impossible is going to be really hard now and it might not even be doable - I haven't been able to do it! I will admit, though, that it hasn't been my primary focus since I have to play test and debug all the new aspects that I've added. Quote:
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Nonetheless, I've recently considered "baby swaps" where for example, I could maybe swap a baby between two wives if it wouldn't be totally inconceivable (i.e. two human babies could probably be swapped). For example, Mirabella's Christian could probably be swapped to Neoka, but I'd have to figure out a good Neoka baby to give to Mirabella in exchange. Xeona has the most babies because of the Minotaurs, and all the human babies are perfect fits for her so I can't really move hers. Sooner or later you'll probably come across Clancy who has bonuses to Unicorns, but is a Gerda baby. You'll say what? But as it turns out, Clancy in HOMM3 is a Dwarf with bonuses to Unicorns. So unfortunately Clancy is Gerda's baby and has a Unicorn Bonus. Sorry, just the way it is as I can't have you and Neoka have a Dwarf baby! Well, unless we use the stork story again, but I think we've already used that twice and someone's going to figure out that something funny is going on with this stork! Once again, I'm also limited by trying to stay true to their original HOMM3 bonuses, but I'll look into evening things out more if it makes sense. I'm not sure if you looked at my skill list, but Tactics is not the only skill that didn't translate over well from HOMM3 to KB. There's also Scouting - that might be a good one since you scout an enemies weakness, although I'd probably have that one drop enemy defense, for example. There are also a few others - I just haven't had a chance to review yet, but will soon! Also don't forget that the Mage gets a 50% spirit experience penalty compared to a Warrior (that's standard game). Quote:
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So I was taken aback for a while about what to do with it and then I thought of the -resistance bonus. So I think with Destroyer it's either one way or the other, but not both. The problem arises is that only one resistance is effected, so with your hero I would have had to have you pick a resistance that you wanted to use as your -resistance. I'd need to add a dialog or something like that which I really don't know how to do. So I think the way Destroyer works is fine for both your and the enemy heroes - use more Divine Armor or troops with better resistance to help you with those enemies. Also, you'll find that you're Geyser will keep increasing in power and when you think about it 900-1800 * 8 (a total of 7200 to 14400 ignoring defense and resistance) is pretty good damage! And you should be able to get over 30 Intellect if you focus your level up points into it - remember I said you might want to choose other stats over Leadership? I think you can see how there is much more strategy now, you can't just stick with the same group of units and expect to waltz through the game. I hope you're having fun! Quote:
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 ) - same as Ghosts. Vampires don't even use a sword or axe, they just have that slender wand thing (or whatever it is) so that's why I left them off.Well good comments as always, I probably won't be able to do much tonight (Monday Night Football), but hopefully Tuesday or Wednesday I'll get back to checking stuff. In the mean time keep playing and try to devise some new strategies to deal with some of these tough hereos! That's the fun part of the game with my mod! /C\/C\
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11-30-2011, 02:24 AM
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We forgot about a few babies...
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Air - Magic Resistance Earth - Physical Resistance Fire - Fire Resistance - duh! Water - Poison Resistance So here's the wife / baby list of those babies with those skills: Feanora: Adrienne with Expert Fire Magic (she gets a big fire resist bonus because of her Expert Fire Magic, by the way, she's a human Witch). Fire Resistance: +42%. Gerda: Grindan and Labetha both with Basic Earth Magic (Grindan is a Dwarf Elementalist, but Labetha is a human Elementalist). Physical Resistance: +16% (each). Diana: Brissa and Aenain both with Basic Air Magic (both babies are Genie Elementalists so I can't switch them from Diana). Magic Resistance: +18% (each). Neoka: Ciele and Gelare both with Basic Water Magic (both babies are Elf Elementalists so I can't switch them from Neoka). Poison Resistance: +20% (each). Xeona: Luna and Inteus with Basic Fire Magic (both babies are human Elementalists). Fire Resistance: +20% (each). You'll notice that most of them are Elementalists, but I actually did a pretty good job dispersing them (kind of like the Planeswalkers). Anyway, just wanted to mention them since we forgot about them... /C\/C\
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