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02-19-2008, 07:51 AM
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Hi Saumon
I am also interested in the BoF scenario. I've been trying to find sources for details of the early 1940's airfields in Northeast France but most of the web based info seems to be later, after the Luftwaffe took over the fields. Have you any suggestions? Nice looking aircraft the VG33 Last edited by Asheshouse; 02-19-2008 at 07:54 AM. 
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02-19-2008, 09:15 AM
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Great project, actually one of the forgotten wars (at least in the air).
I really hope that SoW:BoB will be made open for development by third parties (aircraft, maps, objects); or (if not fully open) at least more available to incorporate works made by others, so that such good projects can be developed. Maraz
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02-19-2008, 09:37 AM
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Hello Ashehouse!
Many locations for these "plateformes d'opérations" as they were called then can be found in the "DGAC CD-ROM" which is a historical research attempt at listing airfields created between 1908 and 1948; For each of the bases cited there is usually an extract of the local 1/25000 map with colouring made by the author showing the extent of the original french "plateforme" with the german extensions as needed and sometimes the US ones as well. This CD-ROM does not list all the fields (there were many) but most of the important ones operationally speaking are there. Also many of the BEF created platforms are not mentioned, nor are the German created platforms. Other info can be found at the STAC in Bonneuil sur Marne (bring your scanner with you...). Some BEF info can also be found in the recently published "Battle of France" book. I must say that I wait with impatience the way that BoB-SoW will depict all those German and French places...The accuracy here will be a very important factor for immersion but I am not confident when I see the amount of energy (and of visits on-site) needed to get a grasp about the real layout of these airfields... I just hope Oleg has an access to amazing information sources and local honourable correspondents neither I nor local historians have never heard of in all these years of passion with these old places in Northern France! And important it is: you just have to consider the incredible quantity of work and dedication people like Ian Boys and several others have put to create airfields looking like WWII airfields (Banff, Imphal, Herdla...), not like 1960 Cold War Soviet air bases (Il2...) If needed, I can help a little and I have already proposed to OM...still waiting! JV Last edited by JVM; 02-19-2008 at 09:39 AM.
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02-19-2008, 11:15 AM
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Where can you get the DGAC CD-Rom from?
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02-19-2008, 02:10 PM
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One request Saumon - refrain from posting images upon images. This makes reading the thread and getting its "core" rather difficult. I already "bailed out" of the thread at Ubi because of the image flood. Thx.
 IMO the BoF is a prime candidate for a full-blown AddOn by Maddox Games (unused topic, interesting types etc). However I disagree on the notion that a load of obscure aircraft types should be modeled - most of them french. For the LW it's easy. There were basically three subtypes of the Bf 109 which formed the backbone of the Luftwaffe fighter force at that time - Bf 109 E-1, E-3 and the first E-4s (although they wouldn't be really necessary - E-3 was much more numerous). The French Air Force had a lot more types but I think concentrating on the historically relevant types - Hawk H.75, MB 152, MS.406 and D.520 - is a lot more sensible than looking up each and any pre-series model or prototype France had in development at the time of the german attack. Why? Because there are french bombers to model, too. And some earlier german ones. And earlier british aircraft. And ground objects. And ... *sigh* ... You get my drift. Last edited by csThor; 02-19-2008 at 02:12 PM.
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02-20-2008, 12:42 AM
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@Freddie: no, both planes are not related
@Thor: I agree with you. Arsenal VG33 could have only a place in a "what-if"... if one day all necessary aircraft for BoF are modelled (something I highly doubt...) then and only then people could start to think on "what-if" planes. .... but in any case, IL2 has shown that no third-party 3D-modellers are interested by BoF (only exception was the external model of the H75)... and we all know M:1C will not do it... so the probability BoF will ever see the day is extremelly low.
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02-20-2008, 07:55 PM
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02-28-2008, 11:39 AM
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with the planned 3.party tool it will be possible in the SoW engine............. but, with the needed time to modell the highly detailed stuff (planes, groundobjects, maps) for the SoW engine, at least at a good standard  , im looking forward highly curious what the time will bring from the 3.party modellers !!a project like a planned BoF scenario, i guess, that would need a lot of teamwork. and actually i guess, the first 3.party stuff for SoW will look more like the "typical wanted" Mustang and late Spitcrowd......................................... ..... 3.Party guys are free in their time and will what to choose to modell - thats good and correct , but not always to my (very) personal desire  and in SoW they even NOT have to ask the Maddox guys if they would include thier stuff in the gameengine. And we all know what even this kind of work brought in the game , from the viewpoint of an historical interested flightsimmer
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