The Northrop Grumman Issue.

[Viking]

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for a few good men to do nothing."
Or worse to work for it.

As for the "Aircraft and weapon systems which we need BTW" I can asure you that WE dont!

Viking

An interesting distinction is made here between photographs/art (note the requirements) and everything else. I would imagine you are free to request further information from the contact listed if you feel the need ...

http://www.northropgrumman.com/ipm/tmpolicy.html


Another interesting point: " ...Grumman, as the manufacturer, owns the trademarks (e.g. "F-14", "Corsair") in the vehicles it makes." Since it didn't design or develop the F4U and only briefly owned part of Vought in the '90s, this must refer to the F2G which they did develop. Another lost aircraft ...

[HundertneunGustav]

dont worry... the ace combat and hawX peeps manage to get Tomcats in their games... and i bet they dont pay any fees either.
if the grumman stuff is stuffed for now, we canstill have these planes... just not from the parties involved in the discussed issue here. (which... IS... an issue.)
and with proper, neutral cover art and packaging.

[Xilon_x]

sorry my ignorance to american airplane N.Grumman how many airplane made in U.S. N.G. missing in il-2? what is the + + important? what is the type and model? you have the list? not all airplane only northrop grumman.
expecialy american airplane worked in europe during ww2.

[Fighterace]

I still dream of more NG aircraft being added to IL-2 1946 some day

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by HundertneunGustav

dont worry... the ace combat and hawX peeps manage to get Tomcats in their games... and i bet they dont pay any fees either.
if the grumman stuff is stuffed for now, we canstill have these planes... just not from the parties involved in the discussed issue here. (which... IS... an issue.)
and with proper, neutral cover art and packaging.

Ace Combat's various games include disclaimer mentioning that they were licensed by the various manufacturers to include the aircraft.

[NukeItFromOrbit]

Originally Posted by Viking

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for a few good men to do nothing."
Or worse to work for it.
As for the "Aircraft and weapon systems which we need BTW" I can asure you that WE dont!
Viking

Work for evil? I don't know whose lies you have been buying but that simply isn't true.

For the most part, Northrop-Grumman is a corporation like any other, meaning they will pull garbage like this and bother a smaller game developer over trademark related issues. I don't support this behavior in anyway, but unfortunately that is the state of business in most of the world.

Yet there are valid reasons for NG's continued existence and I'm sure many of their workers remember the legacy of Northrop and Grumman. Yes they make many systems the United States needs because one simple fact always remains true. Through use or obsolesce, old systems including aircraft, need to be replaced. Plus there are always new capabilities the US military (or foreign customers) hope to in order to counter new or existing threats. Technology is always advancing.

The defense industry in the United States has been consolidated too much for my liking, and I honestly don't have much respect for the higher-level management of NG or most major corporations, defense-related or otherwise, but you're completely in the wrong to disrespect those workers and engineers.

[Viking]

Originally Posted by NukeItFromOrbit

Work for evil? I don't know whose lies you have been buying but that simply isn't true.

For the most part, Northrop-Grumman is a corporation like any other, meaning they will pull garbage like this and bother a smaller game developer over trademark related issues. I don't support this behavior in anyway, but unfortunately that is the state of business in most of the world.

Yet there are valid reasons for NG's continued existence and I'm sure many of their workers remember the legacy of Northrop and Grumman. Yes they make many systems the United States needs because one simple fact always remains true. Through use or obsolesce, old systems including aircraft, need to be replaced. Plus there are always new capabilities the US military (or foreign customers) hope to in order to counter new or existing threats. Technology is always advancing.

The defense industry in the United States has been consolidated too much for my liking, and I honestly don't have much respect for the higher-level management of NG or most major corporations, defense-related or otherwise, but you're completely in the wrong to disrespect those workers and engineers.

Yadayada.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8ww...eature=related

For a start

[jannaspookie]

I find it interesting to come back to the 1C forums every now and then, and still see people talking/debating the Northrup Grumman issue. AFAIK, it isn't exactly against the law; it's just a matter of legal precedent from my understanding (and no game company wants to take the risk of legal action from a giant corporation like NG).

I'm sure some of you here would gladly debate what I've just said, but it really doesn't matter. Just wait for a Yorktown-class mod to be completed (two have already been started). Remember the P-61? We thought we'd never have the one of those for the same reason, but now there's a Black Widow mod that has a better 3D model than the one originally built for Pacific Fighters. Modders can (and are) filling the gaps 1C couldn't. I only wish I had the skill or knowledge because I'd make the Enterprise myself

[Asheshouse]

Originally Posted by jannaspookie

Just wait for a Yorktown-class mod to be completed (two have already been started).

Easy to start. -- Not so easy to finish. -- and my count is that 3 have been started
One thing I would love to see is for the US and IJN generic BB's to be removed from the game --- and replaced with something more authentic.
Pearl Harbour map with no authentic BB's -- I guess this is all down to the NG issue.

Ashe