experienced 110pilots here?

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by David198502

.i cannot see how one can win a fight against a human flown spit or hurri, if the oponent is aware of your presence.

As the LW found out in 1940...
I have not spent much time in the 110, in CoD I have a feeling it is not as good as it should be.

[ElAurens]

Two points.

1. In the real deal, the 110 was meat on the table for any single seater fighter. Goering's lot deployed it stupidly as a long range escort.

2. In the current state of the sim the only aircraft that hits it's "real world" performance numbers is the Spit IIa. So don't expect any aircraft other than that to fly to it's proper potential.


Cardinal Blggles... the third point!!!

Given pilots of equal talent in the sim, the Bf 110 is a death trap, and it should be against real fighters.

I have seem 110ers handing their ar**s to human-flown Spit 5s (piloted not always by newcomers) in old IL2. The magic word is team work. You need two to three proficient 110 drivers to bag a spit.

And I think it should manage to make more than 400. I will research data and make some trial flights (I have not spent much time in the 110).

But be aware: the 110 is not a fighter and you never ever should go into a turn fight with a single engine fighter that is about or nearly as fast as you. Always attack with a altitude advantage and avoid turning. After a pass on the enemy try to climb back to altitude (no sharp climb, no sharp turn), circle widely and reposition for a second pass. If the enemy has gained altitude and the difference is perhaps less than 500m I would say to call it a day and leave. This as starters. You have to find out at which altitude difference you still can keep the upper hand so trial and error.

[Bewolf]

What Stormcrow said. Flying the 110 requires a lot of patience, it's seriously not a plane you want to bring into a dogfight. Speed is of the essence. The 110 is not a slow bird, in reality it was between the Spitfire and the Hurricane speedwise, which is not at all bad for an aircraft this size. In a way you have to treat the 110 like a 190, high speed boom and zoom maneuvers, making its devastating firepower count. It's like a two hander, incredible cumbersome and easily dodged, but when it hits, then it hits. This should also be reflected when flying it, making very wide turns and loops to not bleed energy at all. Hit and run tactics works best.

As was said already, the 110 is most effective in teamwork. But it also works as a solo plane if you keep your speed up, have some altitutde to play with and never, ever get sucked into a turning fight.

All that said, if flown right, the 110 can be really rewarding, even more so once it gets the M-shell. Diving down on an opponent and shredding him to bits at first pass is kinmda satisfying, to say the least. And there is no substitute when it comes to bomber hunting.

Well, I still have to find out how to shred planes to pieces with the M-shells.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

Well, I still have to find out how to shred planes to pieces with the M-shells.

Right convergence range in the 109. It is interesting to notice, btw, that I regulary rip of wings from aircraft with the M-shell but one, the Spitfire, which appears to have quite some deltawood build into the main spar. Never, ever have I seen a Spit lose a wing. Managed to remove the tail, however, so it's not all lost. That said, in the 110 so far it is mostly the 4 machine guns doing most of the work. If you get half a second time on the enemy fuselage you have the opponent out of the fight, if not going down in flames.

P.S: as we are at it, anybody knows how to skip and low level bomb online in the 110? I think I used every single bomb fuse setting available but those buggers simply won't explode when dropped below 750 meters.

[JG53Frankyboy]

with the low level fuse ( that is set fix to 14sec IIRC), it works very well.

[David198502]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Right convergence range in the 109. It is interesting to notice, btw, that I regulary rip of wings from aircraft with the M-shell but one, the Spitfire, which appears to have quite some deltawood build into the main spar. Never, ever have I seen a Spit lose a wing. Managed to remove the tail, however, so it's not all lost. That said, in the 110 so far it is mostly the 4 machine guns doing most of the work. If you get half a second time on the enemy fuselage you have the opponent out of the fight, if not going down in flames.

P.S: as we are at it, anybody knows how to skip and low level bomb online in the 110? I think I used every single bomb fuse setting available but those buggers simply won't explode when dropped below 750 meters.

thats interesting, cause i have no problems to shred off a spitfire's wing with the E4...sure it doesnt loose its wings as easy as the hurri does, but it still happens quite often when i shoot at spits....though i have to commit, that while playing offline, i had much more of those incidents than playing online.

[trumps]

I spend a lot o time in the 110 on the ATAG server, i use it mainly as a strike aircraft. It is great with a couple of 500kg bombs under it for skip bombing ships, and low level strikes on airfields ect. With the righ prop pitch, rad, and cooler settings, plus well trimmed she is good for 420kph on the deck, a d about 440kph minus the bombs. She is basically a one hit wonder when it comes to taking on fighters, you either get them on the first pass or you just keep her pegged and keep going, even boom and zoom is not a great option 1 on 1 because once they know you are there it is pretty easy to avoid you on a firing pass, and you will very soon be out of energy and a sitting duck. The key is keep it fast it bleeds speed and energy like a pig. I love flying the thing, it is a great challenge to get results, and make it home on a busy server !

Craig

[123-Wulf-123]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Two points.

1. In the real deal, the 110 was meat on the table for any single seater fighter. Goering's lot deployed it stupidly as a long range escort.

2. In the current state of the sim the only aircraft that hits it's "real world" performance numbers is the Spit IIa. So don't expect any aircraft other than that to fly to it's proper potential.


Cardinal Blggles... the third point!!!

Given pilots of equal talent in the sim, the Bf 110 is a death trap, and it should be against real fighters.

BULLSHIT.

Try reading the facts instead of the allied propaganda.

Also tell that to Oktoberfest, and the old 110 squad on IL2 46, or to the 17000 110s that survived WWII intact(the highest survival rate of any aircraft in WWII).

Flown CORRECTLY the 110 is a deathtrap....to single engine fighters.