Oleg Maddox's Room #1

[VF19_NAPALM]

~S~ All Ty Oleg for an awesome game . Theres a list of flyable aircraft in Il-2 thats longer than my arm . My question is this ..Why are these planes left off the " list " F4U-4 Corsair , F8F Bearcat , and F7F Tigercat . These aircraft flew and were in combat squadrons . The -4 Corsairs were an improved version and did see considerable service . F7F`s also were deployed as nightfighters off Okinawa . As far as the F8F , they were aboard USS LANGLEY as the atomic bombs were delivered . Is there a reason these fine birds are not available in the game ? Thanks for your time . Keep up the GREAT work ~S~ VF19 NAPALM (VF19 Commanding Officer )

[Rama]

Originally Posted by VF19_NAPALM

Is there a reason these fine birds are not available in the game ?

Yes

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by Rama

Yes

Yes, my understanding is that there are two factors:
1. You can't model everything (not only does it take time and money, it also requires references)
2. United States courts have ruled so that modeling of most American aircraft requires permission of the company that "merged with"/"holds the trademarks of" for the relevant historic firm. It appears that Oleg was actually sued at one point and had to remove several aircraft from the game and pay to model others.

If you don't like this contact your Veteran's associations...

[MiniMe]

Hello Mr. Maddox,

I have two ideas that make the live of the pilots a bit easier.

first, when a pilot spot ground targets he is able to mark them on a map (maybe with a special icon) so that other pilots of his nation can easily find them.

secondly, the maps of BoB will be very huge, so it wont be possible for everyone (who wants to fly full real) to print them out. Therefore, it would be great to have map tools to compute the flight route (distances and angles).

thanks MiniMe and best regards to you and your team!

[Avimimus]

It would be nice to have this feature for fighter pilots as well - but only when they are on the ground. IRL pilots could use pencils didn't they?

[Blackdog_kt]

I was thinking about it too. As it already is in IL2, when you open the map the mouse stops moving the view around and a pointer comes up for manipulating the map.

This could be expanded a bit for BoB if Mr Maddox wants to help people fly full real (no minimap icon, manual navigation). Maybe a little toolbar on top of the map window with some simple tools and a stopwatch would do the job. It doesn't have to be big and cluttering the view, just a row of small buttons the size of a windows desktop icon or even smaller.

I have had some experience with submarine simulations and i guess we could use the same tools. We probably wouldn't need more than the following: a protractor to measure angles, a compass to draw circles (useful to mark flak range, etc), a ruler to measure distances and a bearing wheel overlay on the cursor (with an on/off toggle) to calculate headings for our waypoints. An eraser and a stopwatch would be nice as well. That's a toolbar of six buttons that could be scaled appropriately and placed on the top of the map window. Of course i don't expect fighters to use it in the middle of combat, but it would be good to have for bombers and fighters could also make a rough flightplan in online play before taking off.

In any case, ideas are plentiful and requests as well. The difference is the way we ask for things. I trust the dev team to deliver a quality simulation and so i won't be demanding things from them. All we should be doing is giving them ideas to improve their new product. If time is available and it can be done, i'm sure they will do it, they want this new venture to succeed just as much as we do, we are on the same team.
I want to thank 1C and Mr. Maddox for years of enjoyment. I believe that SoW will be as much of a welcome shock to the sim world as IL-2 was when it was first released.

Originally Posted by Avimimus

Yes, my understanding is that there are two factors:
1. You can't model everything (not only does it take time and money, it also requires references)
2. United States courts have ruled so that modeling of most American aircraft requires permission of the company that "merged with"/"holds the trademarks of" for the relevant historic firm. It appears that Oleg was actually sued at one point and had to remove several aircraft from the game and pay to model others.

If you don't like this contact your Veteran's associations...

This is so d*mn annoying. I've heard about this thing, too. As far as I know, Oleg doesn't use materials unavailable for public. If he has to pay for using data in books or internet any scientist who cites another scientist would have to pay for any citation. This is utter nonsense! If so, I would have had to pay a fortune for all the books I used for my master thesis

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

This is so d*mn annoying. I've heard about this thing, too. As far as I know, Oleg doesn't use materials unavailable for public. If he has to pay for using data in books or internet any scientist who cites another scientist would have to pay for any citation. This is utter nonsense! If so, I would have had to pay a fortune for all the books I used for my master thesis

I agree with you, imagine FW, ME or Hienkel demanding money to use their name and flight model data...
For me a company that has these types of policies should be producing their own flight sims or else stay out of the virtual world!
Another thought would be maybe they produced crap planes and the Il2 sim showed them up for what they really were.

[RAF_Leigh]

is there going to be invisibale trees that you can only see at altiude in SoW

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

I agree with you, imagine FW, ME or Hienkel demanding money to use their name and flight model data...
For me a company that has these types of policies should be producing their own flight sims or else stay out of the virtual world!
Another thought would be maybe they produced crap planes and the Il2 sim showed them up for what they really were.

it was seen as another way of extracting money, and ubi screwed up the legal handling of the case and the display of manufacturers names on the PF box (apparently the cause of the problem). i may be wrong but i think they also went for the model kit makers as well, causing a few to pull kits from their catalogues.