archimedes principle debunked, confusing you :)

[bongodriver]

You obviously don't understand 'displacement', a ship made of steel is much denser than water, it floats because it displaces a certain amount of water which creates a force pushing it 'up'.....same with the stick, if you float it on its end it will push up until the CoG is above the water line (unstable) so it falls on its side and everything is balanced out.....simples

[raaaid]

yeah we agree totally

but you havent answered my question?

is the force of buoyancy equal in both cases?

edit:

not to be concited but remember im 4 subjects away from becoming a nautic engineer, i had to do quite some problems on this

[bongodriver]

Buoyancy isn't really a force....it's a property, which makes it constant for any given object, displacement on the other hand is a force and it is the same in both cases, this whole issue is one of stability and moments.

[AndyJWest]

Raaaid with your 50% density example, the CoG of the object is goung to be on the waterline, as you state. The centre of buoyancy however is going to be half way down the immersed section - and as such at different levels in the two examples. The energy for the move comes from the centre of gravity of the displaced water being lower in the case where the object is floating horizontally.

[raaaid]

"The energy for the move comes from the centre of gravity of the displaced water being lower in the case where the object is floating horizontally"

yeah you got it, im pretty sure thats the way energy works there

but then you have to agree than in one case the force of buoyancy is greater than the other

BUT IN BOTH CASES EQUAL AMOUNT OF WATER IS DISPLACED

who hasnt memorized this?

"the principle states that the buoyant force on an object is going to be equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the object"

now wouldnt you call this principle false then?

it expects equal force in both cases since the displaced water is equal

but andy just nailed i the key is that nature if it can takes the cogs down

edit:

i knew here would be a better place to discuss this than an science forum really good thinkers people here

[raaaid]

could petrol companies sponsor science?

check this out andy do you think its worth to render in a phyics simulator?

[Wolf_Rider]

the mass of the stick may be the same in both configurations... but in the vertical it transposes its mass into a smaller footprint compared to the amount transposed when in the horizontal.
stable = COG sitting just below the waterline

have a paddle at the beach.... stretch out and you float, curl up and you sink