Who has the best IL-2 Online Server?

[crazyivan1970]

People should also keep in mind that lag is often induced by users themselves and their weak hardware. You can put a NASA computer to host IL2, that aint going to help someone with 1GB of RAM on 3 years old system... he will warp right in the front of you whether you like it or not if there is A LOT going on around him... and no server hardware or high speed connection will prevent that...

[RaVe]

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

You dont need to defend yourself crash, hard core IL2 junkies know that Spit vs 109s offers NOTHING, but quality simming. It`s the only server i played on for the past year (that and Zeke v Wildcat), along with other SEOW junkies... and believe me, i am picky fellow

RaVen just got too much money from Guse, he didnt mean any of that...all guses fault, no doubt

Not picky enough Ivan...

For the record please don't bring Guse into it.
He has nothing to do with my personal opinions. Its not fair. Joking around or not, some may not think your joking.

CCrash
Pm is the place for this.

But I'm forced to respond to your post here.

Allow me to correct a few of YOUR statements.



First off let me begin with a personal apology in regard to the no thank you for donations. You are correct
I have not give any $ in over 10 months.

I'm sorry that that comment landed on you.
I am glad to see that you do have the Class to thank people for donating. Unlike your predecessor.
Again my apologies.

That said there are several things that you said in your defense that are completely INFURIATING.

You come off as honorable in your presentation, but it is not fooling me.

lets be honest here. You don't need to change the facts or stretch time frames to make your points.

Originally Posted by Ccrashh

According to server records you have not been on the Warbirds servers since November. So you haven't even been on the new machine to critique it.
We don't have a single entry of you flying, firing a bullet, or dropping a bomb, nor do we have any listing that shows you shooting down anyone or being shot down yourself since the new server came online.

I haven't been on your server since NOV?

The Hell I haven't! Both as -=FA=-Raven and other handles to remain anonymous.

Why don't you mention the month of December? I was heavily testing the server then?


You use Stat reset to insulate your time frame.

I HAVE been in the server since your new system was put in place. I was in there as recently as a week ago.
I have many on line friends that can vouch for that. I also joined with mods on.

You think I would just make criticisms like that with out basis??

Yes you do own the server. You can also control and manipulate the chat log and stats to conveniently hedge your position.

Short of coming out and saying, it its obvious what you have done to make your point...NICE

It was kind of dumb though, as I have flown with so many on line there that can vouch for me.....

I'm not new to the Sim. I have many that can validate the fact I have flow in the server very recently.

So to try to paint me as some wing nut shooting from the hip seems a bit desperate.

Did you see last weeks chat log? or has it mysteriously vanished ????
I was chatting up a storm in there. I'm sure you saw the chat....

I think It is absolutely disgraceful that you have taken this tack to discredit me in an attempt to save face.

Just because I criticized your server.

I am well with in my rights to do so, and will continue until I see improvements.

Originally Posted by Ccrashh

Warbirds of Prey does not support any mods. In point of fact we run CRT=2 and the admins record and review tracks continuously looking for infractions. We support the standard issue game that comes right out of the box. Nothing else.

It wasn't until very recently that I see you now have finally started to use check run time 2. That explains the resent drop off in attendance.
I'm glad that you did,fix it.
It has made some of your admins very happy as well.


Lets keep things honest here.

I understand that my personal opinion has hit you in the wallet.Your running a business for profit here.
But You can't expect to take donations and not be criticized for sub par performance.
You have cost, I understand that. But to charge a
"subscription fee"
to give "subscribers" the right to down load stuff that they can get for free on other sites is over the top.

I stand by my comments 100%.
I have seen no noticeable improvement in the server since you have taken over.
if I felt it were a good server I would fly in it. I would donate to it.
As I had since its inception.
I was a huge supporter.
Both on line and Financially.Well over the hundred $ per year range.
Any that know when I like a server I will go out of my way to support it.

The fact that your server does not have my support is telling.
Take my criticisms as constructive and improve it. What you have there is still not working.
I find the server problematic.

After donating lots of $$ over the years to your predecessor and experiencing poor on line game play,I am well within my rights to complain.
Even after you have taken over, I still see the same issues, in spite of what you say.



I am entitled to my opinion and I feel that there are much better servers out there.

Originally Posted by Ccrashh

Unlike your post.. I know what I'm talking about.
I own the server.
I wish you the best of luck with your server.
You can rest assured that no admin from Warbirds of Prey will be found bashing your server in anyone else's forums.

You own the server... Great keep working on it. I hope you can deliver.
So far I don't see any great improvements. When I do I will be happy to recommend the server and happily donate to is success.
As I had from its inception.

Yes I have a server ,That is beside the point.
Its for public use.
I donate it as a gift to the community As i do with skins mission ect for free on my dime and time.
I do this so other squads can use it,admin it , as a practice arena. Or to fly bi planes.
I have no intention to make it anything more.
I'm in no competition with you.I have nothing to gain by criticizing your server.I'm not in it for the money.

If I feel that WOW is a much better, smoother server.

Its my right to say so.

Thats what this thread is about and thats why I posted here, in this thread.

I have posted in the feedback in the past at your site and granted it was with you predecessor. I got no response.
but thats not your fault so I cant hold that against you.

But what I can hold against you is the fact that you have tried to slander my integrity with your innuendos.

As eloquently, honorable, moral ,as you present your self.....

The fact that you stretched the facts to hedge your argument speaks volumes..


cCrash I'm sure you mean well and want the best. But as of now I don't see a change.
Perhaps its simply the maps not well tested. There is defiantly packet loss happening in there on a regular basis. I know many that get hit and hear nothing.

I am pushing for quality. Over the past few years I have been very disappointed with the server. I'm not alone. I'm just the idiot taking the bullets for saying so.
Take the criticism and improve.




You forced me to respond publicly by insinuating I'm a lier or full of shi*.
There is much more I could point out and prove.
At this point, I recommend keeping it in PM . This is no longer the place for our discussion to continue.
please address any concerns to PM as I'm finished here.

I simply was expressing an opinion to help push for quality. I did not mean to create a drama Seine.

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

People should also keep in mind that lag is often induced by users themselves and their weak hardware. You can put a NASA computer to host IL2, that aint going to help someone with 1GB of RAM on 3 years old system... he will warp right in the front of you whether you like it or not if there is A LOT going on around him... and no server hardware or high speed connection will prevent that...

Good point.. But It happens much to often in Sv109 than in other servers. Servers that have lots of people with lots going on...What you speak about is a very very rare event in WOW and a very common event in Sv109. Thats my point.
how can WOW get around the problem and S v 109 cant?

[crazyivan1970]

Rav, did you ever run your own server? Do you even know what it takes to run one? I dont know you, i sure hope you are not like this IRL.. Very sad dude... very sad.

[RaVe]

1. yes
2. yes
3. Only if there is good reason.

[Petrosky]

When typing instead of talking(Teamspeak) (Ventrilo) the
meaning of whats said can be taken in wrong way.

All here have enjoyed Spitsv109s Server and we know
what it takes to put one up for the public to use.

If the server is for any and all users( now that mods are open
to just about anyone able to use a mouse)
Then there will be troubles with the server and until we have
some sort of fix all sides will accept, all servers will have
troubles to some degree.

I think we could agree with so many different files in our game
that troubles are bound to happen when all do not have same versions
being ran at same time on a given server.

That being said some things can be done to help with this problem until
we have a universal way of dealing with all versions

Some servers have figured out how to make things better!
An easy test is Frame rates on given maps on the servers
you fly on,and amount of lag generaly showing up for said
map or server.

Lets Solve this together,I doubt if we would be having this discussion
if the Mods hadn't grown so big so fast without a control method

Thanks for reading, now lets try to enjoy!!

Petrosky

[Ccrashh]

Raven sorry, you don't make the rules here. You started this bailey work (in an open forum.)

I will not take this to PMs. I have nothing to hide. The only way people will get the facts is to see the debate in the open.

I'll be damned if I'm leaving you with the last word on this subject.

Your entire post was visceral in it's animosity towards Spits.

Originally Posted by RaVe

"I have been biting my tongue as to how many recommended a really bad server,"

"Why so many recommend and fly in S v109 is beyond my comprehension ."

"In comparison Sv109 is not even in the same league."

"Its simply sub par."

"Sending out the wrong word of mouth recommendation is a dis service to who you are recommending something to."

"I suppose its a mater of standards, some like velvet Elvis posters too. To each their own."

"Its wile nilly and game play shows the end result of that kind of mismanagement."

"Just because lots fly in a server doesn't mean its a good server.
Don't follow the heard."

"Raise your standards and treat yourself to a Quality server."

That's not just an opinion.
That's mean, inconsiderate and a blatant effort to draw population to servers that you prefer at the expense of others.

You're also insulting the people who choose to fly on or recommend Spits by accusing them of having questionable taste.

As for my post..

I stated the truth.
Your "opinion" was based on incorrect "facts."
And I most assuredly know what's going on with my own server, a lot more than you do..
For you to suggest that you are more informed than I about Warbirds is arrogance that goes beyond comprehension.

In your last post you have so many personal insults directed at me that I lost count.

I'll stick with the big points.

Your opinion of me is irrelevant.

I am not in this for a profit. If you knew as much about Warbirds or me as you claim you would know that.

I don't see you as the "competition".

I'm not competing with anyone except myself.

I never mentioned your server, nor your intentions regarding that server except to wish you luck..

Loose the Ego..

Originally Posted by RaVe

The fact that your server does not have my support is telling.
Take my criticisms as constructive and improve it. What you have there is still not working.

I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this but your influence on this community is the same as mine.

We have none...

Neither you nor I move the needle on folk's "Give-A-$&%T-O-meter".

Your post cast an unfair disparaging slant on a lot of folk's hardwork and was incorrect.

We do not support Mods. Your post said we do. I submit the following from our forums.

Note the date.

http://www.warbirdsofprey.org/module...ewtopic&t=1762

We turn CRT=2 off and on at irregular times to do the following.
A. To see who is using mods and who is not (ie track their popularity.)
B. To keep folks who attempt at making modifications from knowing what setting we have on any particular day. This stops people from using us as a test bed to see if the latest attempt at a modification will get past different server settings.

If you knew as much about running a server as you think you do, you would already have figured that out. I'm not required to tell you what our settings are.

Originally Posted by RaVe

I have posted in the feedback in the past at your site and granted it was with you predecessor. I got no response.
but thats not your fault so I cant hold that against you.

geee.. thanks for not "holding" that against me...I'm so relieved....

You do however make my point for me. You admit you never gave us a chance to respond to any of your opinions, because you never gave them.
Yet here you are voicing your "opinion" without so much as a hint to us that you had any concerns.

Originally Posted by RaVe

After donating lots of $$ over the years to your predecessor and experiencing poor on line game play,I am well within my rights to complain.

Then you should have complained back then to him when he was running the joint. To save all of your "years" of frustration and then dump them on Warbirds now is unfair. Especially when you never took the time to try to communicate with us first.

The new server has been in operation for less than a month. Thanks for giving us a chance before bashing us here.

Originally Posted by RaVe

But You can't expect to take donations and not be criticized for sub par performance.
You have cost, I understand that. But to charge a
"subscription fee"
to give "subscribers" the right to down load stuff that they can get for free on other sites is over the top.

It is not over the top.. If you were in on what goes on in Warbirds (oh wait your not) you would know that whole issue is a leftover from the previous owner. We are currently in re-design of the webpage. There is no longer any "Members" area, "Members" forum or "Members" anything.

You point out something we already know and are working on.

I am going to take the following personally though.

Originally Posted by RaVe

You use Stat reset to insulate your time frame.

We reset stats every month. This month we did a couple of resets to do some maintenance to the stats program due to some noted issues brought to our attention.

Originally Posted by RaVe

Yes you do own the server. You can also control and manipulate the chat log and stats to conveniently hedge your position.

Short of coming out and saying, it its obvious what you have done to make your point...NICE

This is paranoia run amuck. Conspiracy theorists unite.
We did land on the moon, and there was only one shooter in Dallas.
To accuse me of altering the server just to win a debate with you is insulting at a minimum and more correctly OUTRAGEOUS!!

Originally Posted by RaVe

I understand that my personal opinion has hit you in the wallet.Your running a business for profit here.

My "wallet" has nothing to do with this. Your insinuation that I'm in this as a business for profit is insulting and wrong. Anyone who is a regular on Warbirds knows all to well that money is the last thing on my mind and has nothing to do with my motives for keeping Warbirds running.

I don't care if we all of a sudden (in your opinion) start "Doing Wonders" and S%&Ting cucumbers.
Please don't feel any need to help us with anything.
I would consider it a personal favor to me if you never set foot on Warbirds ever again.

Nobody insinuated you were a "liar" or full of S#^T. I never got personal. All I said was.

Originally Posted by Ccrashh

Never have I seen such a blanket misrepresentation of the facts.

Unlike your post.. I know what I'm talking about.
I own the server.

Ccrashh

[Monguse]

Look for Winds or War this weekend.

100% historical mission - If we can't document an aircraft for the map it's not available.

[RaVe]

It is what it is Crash.

We are both entitled to our opinions.

I wish you the best in your efforts, and obvious concern for ongoing improvements within your server.

[Ccrashh]

Rgr that Raven,

It is what it is.....

Thank you for your rampart sentiments.

Good luck to you too Sir,

Regards

Ccrashh
1st Horseman