The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by adonys

ok, let's make a short analogy here, maybe our islander friends will get it better this way:

It's not just your islander friends that disagree with you.

if a tiger is fighting a cat, and at some point the tiger has to go away because he has to pee, that doesn't mean the cat won the fight.. right?!!

Well it depends why they were fighting. If the cat has territory that the tiger wants, so the tiger attacks the cat, but fails to make the cat go away and instead gets cut up badly, so the tiger goes for a pee and when it comes back it still can't remove the cat, then the tiger lost. Trying to compare the Luftwaffe's inability to win the battle with either a tiger needing a pee or your mates deciding they can't continue a game of football is embarrassing.

But go ahead, call it a THE GREATEST VICTORY EVER for my part.

Truth is.. brits always need their big thug nephews help to get our from the mess they've got themselves into (think any other WWII brit operations). Kind of like the italians

This shows your bias. This isn't about whether Britain are any good at anything or not, it simply a discussion about one battle and whether it was won or not. It doesn't matter who helped whom, who got lucky, who made the wrong decisions, who was commit elsewhere at the same time, simply a case of what the objectives were and whether they were met. But you want to turn it into a willy waving contest. You think that the Brits got themselves into a mess because they didn't sit by and watch Germany take over Europe? What nonsense.

But they were great warriors, and look, they won BoB.. Of course they did, otherwise.. what else would have they to celebrate?!!

We don't need to celebrate anything, but if you asked us what we could celebrate from WWII, then we'd say we celebrate VE day, not the Battle of Britain,d we don' and celebrate VE day thinking we were special or we did anything on our own, we celebrate because the Nazis were stopped and we have freedom thanks to many allies.

Using another analogy, is like trying to get away from him the only rotten bone a skinny dog ever had.. of course he'll jump to bite you for trying to get his only reason for life away from him.

What? You think that the BoB is Britains rotten bone, our only reason for life? You are completely deluded. Most British people don't care a jot about the BoB, most British people don't think of the war except when they're remined on remembrance day. You are so far from reality it's shocking. Take a clip board and go interview some Brits and ask them what they think Britains greatest achievements are - I bet you won't find one single person that says the BoB, because while it was an important victory, it was just one battle in a long history.

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Originally Posted by adonys

you just don't get the difference between willingly giving up (due to whatever reasons), and being forced to give up (like in gettin' beaten).. do you?!!

When a distant attacker gives up attacking, you can always pretend that they did so because they got bored, needed a pee, had something else to do. Defining whether they were 'forced to give up' is not a simple task. The Luftwaffe could not afford the losses they were sustaining over Britain, so they pretty much were forced to give up, but as long as they had one aircraft left you would argue that they could have carried on if they weren't so desperate for the toilet.

All of the facts are completely against you, but you think we disagree because this is Britains claim to fame. We're not suggesting that you think it's a draw because poor Germany couldn't handle the thought of losing a battle against Britain, that would be equally daft. I don't understand why you can't see the facts. What to the Americans, Japanese, Dutch etc think?

[adonys]

if I am swinging my sword at you, and you rise your shield and parry my blow..

common sense people will name your shield rising a successful defense, not a crushing victory because "I've failed to meet my objective for which I was swinging my sword, namely to wound your flesh"

go figure that!

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by adonys

if I am swinging my sword at you, and you rise your shield and parry my blow..

common sense people will name your shield rising a successful defense, not a crushing victory because "I've failed to meet my objective for which I was swinging my sword, namely to wound your flesh"

go figure that!

So if you swung your sword to damage someone, and they parried your blow, would you then just walk off? And in you example, you'd retreat totally unharmed - are you suggesting the Luftwaffe lost no aircraft or pilots.

To make you comparison like the Battle of Britain, a single German aircraft flew to Britain, fired some shots at a British aircraft, missed and realised there was no way Germany would win the battle, so retreated, with no losses on either side. If that had happened, there wouldn't have been a 'Battle of Britain'.

Once again you analogies are ridiculous, and do not change the facts.

[Madfish]

77 pages? I'm German and I don't care if it was a loss or victory. There have been tons of wars in the past and most of them were cruel. But Hitler was a sick idiot and, like many, didn't deserve a victory in the first place and it's sad he got that far. Call BoB a loss but not stopping him much earlier is already proof that the whole globe had lost to this sick maniac, smaller victories aside.

That said I find it hilarious that so many people make topics like this. One country against the whole world? I for one would say it's totally stupid to assume anyone could win this and it's very sad to see how far and close to achieving his goals he actually got. If Germany would've had the size and potential of Russia we'd be speaking German today. Also if Hitler would've attacked ONLY the UK there's probably no chance that the UK would've survived.

Also please don't forget that in the first years of the war the Germans tried very hard to not piss off the USA. That's one of the reasons why the uboot fleet was never really let lose until it was too late.

It was a lost cause to begin with. Take out a world map and actually look at the size of Germany and then compare it to Russia, UK and the USA alone. Not to mention all the other territories. Of course the BoB was lost but I doubt that anyone really cared considering they were in a war with the whole GLOBE.

[adonys]

sir, when you're parrying a sword blow with your shield, bothe the sword and the shield get damaged.. that's common knowledge..

and don't tell me, after the brits broke the krautz in BoB and saw them on the flee.. they've chased them and throwed them out of Europe, as the victors they were..

[winny]

Here's my analogy.

2 Boxers slugging it out, both battered and bruised. At the beginning of the 11th round one of the boxers (a) doesn't come out of his corner muttering some excuse about another fight he's got planned, leaving the other boxer (b) standing waiting. That's not a draw. That's 'we bit off more than we could chew'. So ends the Battle of Britain..

The next fight comes along and boxer (a)'s doing quite well against the next boxer (c), wins a few rounds but then gets caught with a good counter punch, meanwhile boxer (b) is back and this time he's brought his mate (d)..

End result = Boxer (a) get's his head kicked in by everyone at the same time (this is the best way to deal with bullys), boxer (b) has given all and will never fight again, leaving (c) and (d) to fight it out for the world heavyweight championship...

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Of course the BoB was lost but I doubt that anyone really cared considering they were in a war with the whole GLOBE.

You only say Germany lost because you're British and, like a starving dog holding its rotting bone, claiming victory is the only way of finding anything for your pathetic country to be proud of.

I'm German and I don't care if it was a loss or victory

Oh.

[ZaltysZ]

Technically LW lost to RAF, because LW didn't meet their goals (some may even say that they were not very clear and stable) as attacking side, and RAF successfully completed their goals as defending side. This is a fact. However, I don't think BoB was such a defeat, which could be considered epic blow to LW, after which LW could not or had a hard time recovering, and so BoB should not be presented like it was an a** kicking fest.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

Technically LW lost to RAF, because LW didn't meet their goals (some may even say that they were not very clear and stable) as attacking side, and RAF successfully completed their goals as defending side. This is a fact. However, I don't think BoB was such a defeat, which could be considered epic blow to LW, after which LW could not or had a hard time recovering, and so BoB should not be presented like it was an a** kicking fest.

Agreed