Mustang accident

[Crumpp]

funny you should say that, becuase the tail wheel also poped out b4 the climb and roll also. Might be the end of the trim tab theory.

The trim tab does not have to separate from the airplane for the elevator trim to break.

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry man, but to be honest this is not a fair assessment of the situation. It is quite blatant what a certain member is doing here, a behaviour for which he has been banned before, the fact that nobody agrees with him and that he's starting his usual trolling behaviour is a sign of his intentions me thinks.

It's obvious that when in a topic there's a call for respect on dead people and this is not taken into consideration, there's something that doesn't quite add, if anything to common sense.

Too be honest I can't agree with this. Some points he makes I can't agree with but a lot of valid points are in there as well. So "nobody" is wrong. Partially I agree with him but I also don't agree with the defenders.

Secondly instead of pointing fingers at him you should realize that if you look at this thread objectively most of you guys are ganging up on him, insulting, twisting words etc. as well. Not sure who started it but the way I see it it's only logical: This is a forum for plane lovers (warbirds even) so it's natural that many are defending a lost cause.

It's a fact that reno races are a risky gamble, due to many mechanics of this series, and not a controlled environment. They should re-think their safety standards. That doesn't mean it has to be banned though.

The way I see it the series needs to take a break and see how they could improve like Red Bull does it. I mentioned a dozen of things they could do to improve, to say that there is nothing that could be done is just wrong.




That said I also don't believe that a trim tab needs to come off. But I also can barely believe that just a trim tab falling off would be the cause.
I assume there was something happening before it came off but it's hard to say what at this point. I guess we'll have to wait for an official report.

[winny]

Popular Mechanics has done an article on the crash.

Some stuff I'd not heard before in it.

[ATAG_Doc]

Winny thank you for posting this!! Much appreciated!!

[winny]

Originally Posted by timej31

Winny thank you for posting this!! Much appreciated!!

No Problem, the interesting bit for me was the Pit Crew guy saying that the telemetry coming back from Galloping Ghost showed that it pulled +22.5 G.

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by winny

Popular Mechanics has done an article on the crash.

Some stuff I'd not heard before in it.

"In 1999, another highly modified P-51 called Miss Ashley II, piloted by Gary Levitz, lost its trim tab during an Unlimited race. It pitched violently upward just as Galloping Ghost did. When it went vertical, the plane broke up..."

That means 3 racing Mustangs have lost trim tabs!!

Why did they not abandon using them after 2 accidents?

[winny]

Originally Posted by major_setback

That means 3 racing Mustangs have lost trim tabs!!

Why did they not abandon using them after 2 accidents?

I've change my mind about this. I've switched to ban it.

Simply because it's the 3rd time it's happened. I only knew of 2. I reckon that you only need 2 similar accidents to identify a problem. As you said why were they still using them?

For them to continue racing when they knew that the failiure of the trim tab
resulted in such a violent reaction, and had resulted in one of the aircraft breaking up mid air, was at the very least reckless.

[JG52Krupi]

Ban the modded P-51 unless they can find and remove the source of the failure and remove it.

[ElAurens]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCBbo...layer_embedded

Enough talk of bans.

If you cannot understand this, then I have nothing else for you.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Ban the modded P-51 unless they can find and remove the source of the failure and remove it.

More often than not the problem is in between the stick and the seat.