The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

No, I was simply offering advice, nor was there any mention of the rather OT issue of bombing the bejaysis out of enemy manufacturing/civilian centres in my post, nor of the wholesale slaughter of ones own civilian population. Although I think that little distinction is very important to remember in terms of justifying acts undertaken in times of war.

there is NO justification whatsoever in the bombing of innocent civilians, as it was discussed and approved in the 1949 Geneva convention (after the lesson learned with the strategic bombing of German cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki).

The fact that you still believe there was a justification for those bombing is abhorrent to say the least, it's like justifying the Blitz or the concentration camps.

[Al Schlageter]

By your logic, again, then the U-boat war in the Atlantic, sinking civilian ships, was also not justifiable.

[adonys]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

By your logic, again, then the U-boat war in the Atlantic, sinking civilian ships, was also not justifiable.

civilian ships transporting war materials? there were cases in which civilian ships were indeed sunk, and there's no excuse for that, but it wasn't a BDO policy.

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

there is NO justification whatsoever in the bombing of innocent civilians, as it was discussed and approved in the 1949 Geneva convention (after the lesson learned with the strategic bombing of German cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki).

The fact that you still believe there was a justification for those bombing is abhorrent to say the least, it's like justifying the Blitz or the concentration camps.

Lol. Continued attempts to derail from battle of britain being a defeat for the luftwaffe.

No, after 1949 there was no justification. Hasn't beem another shooting war like it since, but as ever civilian deaths still outstrip combatant deaths by several orders of magnitude. Also the luftwaffe and ija bombed civilian centres, just to add to your list of guilt.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Although you get the impression, wrongly or rightly, that teutonic knight wannabees don't grasp such self evident truths.

Cheers, man. I nearly p*ssed meself laughing.

War. Fail. Epic. War fail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CwfCBa6PSM

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Although you get the impression, wrongly or rightly, that teutonic knight wannabees don't grasp such self evident truths.

Cheers, man. I nearly p*ssed meself laughing.

War. Fail. Epic. War fail.

r u back into this with your off topic contributions? Thought that the mod message was quite clear..

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

Adonys, leaving a huge aircraft carrier off the french coast counts as a huge strategic failing. I mean really. Hitler was huffing glue when he conceived of the fatally flawed seelowe, and started on the speedballs when he went for russia having left the western front unfinished. An idiot can see this, with the 20/20 vision afforded to historians. Although you get the impression, wrongly or rightly, that teutonic knight wannabees don't grasp such self evident truths.

You're applying hindsight again. Hitler had NO idea whatsoever that Japan was going to attack the USA in 1941, and even if he did, he was sure that the Russian offensive wouldn't have lasted more than a year.

Stern, i'm judging from how it panned out.
Those losses in bob were incurred with no tactical or strategic benefit. I would add that, as a defender, you WANT the lines to stay the same. That represents victory over an attacking force.

Anyway, enough of your "logic" for now.

Tattybyes.

if you say so..

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

By your logic, again, then the U-boat war in the Atlantic, sinking civilian ships, was also not justifiable.

Absolutely! There are no good or bad causes for the killing of undefended, innocent civilians!

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

Lol. Continued attempts to derail from battle of britain being a defeat for the luftwaffe.

No, after 1949 there was no justification. Hasn't beem another shooting war like it since, but as ever civilian deaths still outstrip combatant deaths by several orders of magnitude. Also the luftwaffe and ija bombed civilian centres, just to add to your list of guilt.

I am still motivating what I say, you talk insanity. After 1949 there was no justification? Is that how you feel to explain that? According to your theory then there's probably a way to justify the holocaust as well, isn't it? Or maybe yo're saying that the life of a Jew is worth more than a Russian OST battallion soldier, or one of the thousands German women raped by the Red Army soldiers, or maybe the thousands of children that perished in Germany and Japan under the Allied bombs..

Never said that the Luftwaffe or IJA didn't commit a war crime.