Mustang accident

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

I never said that they wanted to kill people. They just haven't done what it takes to stop killing people. That is reckless. Unfortunately for them, the only thing that is going to stop the carnage is to end the event.

People enjoy excitement and risk, don't judge their needs.

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

I already posted something to support my views. Both events take place over a similar number of days, therefore they involve a similar amount of dangerous activity. The only thing I'm smelling is that you can't show that I'm wrong.

You have posted nothing in regard to the amount of racing at Reno because you don't know. Admittedly I am not sure, (at least I admit it) but I say Reno goes on for at least 9 days including qualifying and contains several hours of racing and displays each day, F1 for 3 days and is focused on 1 race, on the sunday. I need more than your word that they actually only race for a few minutes a day at Reno, therefore equaling and F1 race. I do not need to show you are wrong, you need to show you are right. I am open minded, David, I accept the possibility you might be right, but I follow F1, I know exactly how much racing they do. Like I said, no more than 6hrs the whole weekend. Again I suggest that over 7-10 days at Reno there is significantly more racing than that, what you are implying is that at Reno they do less than 1 hour a day including practice, qualifying, displays and racing. Unfortunately neither of us have the information needed to conclude whose point of view is closer to the truth, but you continue to attack my analysis even though you cannot truly support your own.

Anyway, the point was, we can all use numbers to bolster our point of view, the problem is that the closer you look, the more numbers you need to find to attempt to accurately compare things regarding something abstract like the 'amount' of danger. I believe people have a right to life. If people are having fun (even to the point of dying) and are not harming me or mine, I may object, but I cannot make them stop, and I shouldn't try. If you think it is really that bad then go and work in health and safety or become a paramedic. At least then you could help. What good is it doing you arguing here?

Peoples PMs to you are sent in confidence, the least you could do is respect that regardless of how you personally feel towards anyone at any given moment. If you are being harassed then take it up with the forum admins. Airing what people say to you in confidence because they just ticked you off is pretty low to be honest.

Regards,
Sam.

[AWL_Spinner]

Airing what people say to you in confidence because they just ticked you off is pretty low to be honest.

I can't see what the troll is writing (thanks ignore!), but on this point it's generally considered verboten on most forums and would earn you a deserved ban on several I frequent.

On-topic, here is the clearest video yet of the events leading up to the accident. No footage of the impact or aftermath, just the mechanical failure and subsequent pull up/roll of Galloping Ghost. This occurs at 07:30 and is repeated several time in slow motion.

http://vimeo.com/29519344

Somewhat dry preliminary NTSB report.

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...17X22412&key=1

[TomcatViP]

Thx for the link Spinner. A really good one.

Just to list the evidences on the vid that we can evenualy hve a discussion on rational grds (at least !)

Trailing wheel pop out -> induced bank left -> Pilot action bank right + pitch up -> ctrl ard Roll axis not manageable -> left trim elev separated -> nose down (inverted)...

[ATAG_Doc]

First video that I can actually see the trim tab come lose and fly off. Wonder why wheel came down. Speculation is many things. Blackout from tab falling off to seat coming lose.

Originally Posted by Sammi79

You have posted nothing in regard to the amount of racing at Reno because you don't know..

I don't have to know. There are only so many hours in the day, and both events are held over the same number of days. I already refuted your absurd attempt to claim that there is 6 hours of racing each day at Reno. So, until you can show that there is a lot more racing at Reno than at an F1 event, we're going with my version, because all the available facts support me.

Originally Posted by timej31

First video that I can actually see the trim tab come lose and fly off. Wonder why wheel came down. Speculation is many things. Blackout from tab falling off to seat coming lose.

The wheel came down because of the G-forces.

Originally Posted by Sammi79

Peoples PMs to you are sent in confidence, the least you could do is respect that regardless of how you personally feel towards anyone at any given moment. .

He seems to think that I have mental problems. Do you really think it's a good idea to trust someone that you think has mental problems?

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

I don't have to know. There are only so many hours in the day, and both events are held over the same number of days. I already refuted your absurd attempt to claim that there is 6 hours of racing each day at Reno. So, until you can show that there is a lot more racing at Reno than at an F1 event, we're going with my version, because all the available facts support me.

To make a meaningful comparison, yes, unfortunately, you do have to know. The events are not held over the same number of days and there are at least useable 8hrs on any good day, for any activity. You have no facts to support your claim that the racing at Reno is limited to a few minutes per day. The lack of facts does not support you. Err.. who is 'we'?

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

He seems to think that I have mental problems. Do you really think it's a good idea to trust someone that you think has mental problems?

Either you are admitting he's right, or you have a complete lack of respect and dignity. At least an insane person would have an excuse. Whats yours?

OT, thanks for that last video that is as clear a look at the events before the crash as we will ever get. Can anyone see exactly when the tail wheel actually pops out? If it occurs preceding the over bank it could be the cause. Either that or something else broke in the trim system of which the visible sign was the separating left elevator tab moments later. Sadly I think the final results of the investigation will be speculative anyway, due to there being not enough evidence left.

Regards,
Sam.

Originally Posted by Sammi79

To make a meaningful comparison, yes, unfortunately, you do have to know.

No, I don't have to know. Both events are held over the same number of days. That's really all I need.