Expansion from Desatersoft

[NSU]

the Team work for a new menu layout, so we have more place for future add-ons.
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the english translate for the Add-on 1, is still in work.

When you buy this product please keep in mind that the handbook that comes along with it contains some pages on the history of world war II that I personally find extremely impalatable. As it is written in the text it equates revisionistic view imho.

The text says that before the war, Poland was considered a rogue state by Britain and in the text thus suggesting that attacking Poland was ok. I think this is outrageous.

It further says that annecting parts of Checkoslovakia was an injustice but then relativates it by saying that Britain had done similar things.

The textbook says that Hitler just wanted to re-establish the German borders to the situation pre-1914 neglecting all the "Lebensraum" politics propagated by Hitler.

This textbook goes on in this tone. It is imho basically suggested that WW2 was not Germany's fault or at least there had been some justifications for it. As if one injustice justifies another one ...

I think you should consider this before you go to buy this. Unfortunately I did, not being aware of this kind of message that comes along with the addon.

[Gerbil Maximus]

That was the final nail to convince me im not buying it.
Glad i read that anyhow as it slapped me back to reality, If i buy this, im paying for things that get added on top of broken code, goes against my logic.

[adonys]

You can look at it as role-play nazi propaganda, which I'm sure it is what actally it really is.

Things is.. there re some voices stating some alternative history unorthodox claims regrading how and why WW2 started.. and what do you know, they might even be right with one or two things..

[Gerbil Maximus]

At the moment some might claim you to be defending nazism and the german state in the 30's & 40's.
I'm sure your not but in this politically correct "george orwell" nightmare world we live in we have to word oursleves very carefully.

[NSU]

oh Boy`s
many english and US IL2 Pilots fly the german Plans with historic markings, when a german player make this so he is a Nazi!!!

What i will say, this handbook will show you how the german think when they beginn the war with england, why they fight with them.

And note this is a Game Add-on and yes a WWII game, you be a Nazi when you play the german side?

Please go study some semantics, NSU.

The text is titled as "Historic background" and NOT: "How Germans believed at that time how WW2 started". And even if it had been labelled in this manner it is the minimum that a historic and factual text was put aside it.

As it is written it is a (fortunately still) marginal and queer and imho outrageous way of seeing things presented in a manner as if it was some historic account like any else. Imho it equates definitely to propaganda. Anyhow this kind of opinions whatever one might think about it has no place in a handbook of a game or an addon.

I now remember that once Desastersoft made itself speak of it in a similar way. I should have remembered that before buying it.

[NSU]

Yes "Historic background" for the Game, all my Briefings are write like Luftwaffe 1940 without any discrimination!

The handbook (i do nou write it), the Briefings and all pictures are controlled by USK Nr.:30974/11
they find NO problems, so the Desastersoft product is OK for me.

when you have a problem with the handbook, put it in the drawer and play the game

[No601_Swallow]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

Please go study some semantics, NSU

Personally, I think it's "poor form" to criticize a non-native speaker's language skills. He's trying to communicate on this forum as best he can (and I think his point's perfectly comprehensible.)

I wonder how your German "semantics" is? (And I'm pretty sure you meant "syntax" )

As it is, I doubt very much this is "revisionist" history (haven't read it but still...), for goodness' sake. As he says, it's "role-playing", getting into the skin of an indoctrinated warrior for his fatherland, etc, etc.

Geez, is that so hard to understand?

For my part, I'll be very interested to see what they've achieved and if (and how) they've started to mine the deep seam of scripts and triggers (ie. Frog's and Ming's fabled ambulances) that have been built into this game.

[desastersoft]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

Please go study some semantics, NSU.

The text is titled as "Historic background" and NOT: "How Germans believed at that time how WW2 started". And even if it had been labelled in this manner it is the minimum that a historic and factual text was put aside it.

As it is written it is a (fortunately still) marginal and queer and imho outrageous way of seeing things presented in a manner as if it was some historic account like any else. Imho it equates definitely to propaganda. Anyhow this kind of opinions whatever one might think about it has no place in a handbook of a game or an addon.

I now remember that once Desastersoft made itself speak of it in a similar way. I should have remembered that before buying it.

Historic Facts are not Propaganda! Maybe you should take some books about the Time from 1918-1939. The World was not Black/White. And there where many things what made the War. A Good One for you: Patrick Buchanan/ Chirchill, Hitler and the unnacessery War

Sorry for my Bad English. Wir können das ja gern im Deutschen ausdiskutieren, und zwar anhand der historischen Fakten.

From the Manual/Engl. Tanslation
Events which led to the Battle of Britain

As events in August 1939 dealing with the Free City of Danzig and the corridor separating East Prussia and Danzig from the German Reich escalated, no one anticipated that a year later a situation would unfold in which the German Reich would dominate half of Europe. How did things come to this? Indeed, many factors were involved. Firstly, there were the three dictatorships: the Soviet Union, Germany and Poland. Poland up till March 1939 was considered by the Americans and British what would today be called a “rogue nation”. Between 1918, the proclamation of the renewed Polish state, and 1938, the furthest expansion of Poland, Poland had militarily attacked all of its surrounding countries and expanded its territory at the expense of the Soviet Union, Germany, Lithuania and lastly Czechoslavakia. Poland was a bomb with many fuses and suffered from self overestimation due to its victories over the Soviet Union and German in previous years. Indeed, in October 1938 Great Britain was very close to forming an alliance against Poland.

One of Hitler's main goals was the restoration of conditions as they were in 1914. A Greater Germany bounded within the borders of German and Austria. This also included that territory which was awarded to the artificial state of Czechoslavakia in 1919. With the break-up of Czechoslavakia into Slovakia and the Czech Republik (incidentally exactly the same as today, two small European nations) he recognized the possibility of bringing this Czech region back into the Reich as the protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, as it had been for 1000 years. Anyone who says that wasn't right and Hitler should not have been allowed to do that, can be answered that this is exactly what was done by the soon to be war opponents Great Britain and France. In 1926 Great Britain annexed Egypt and made it a protectorate. India, Palastine, South Africa, Australia, indeed Britains list is long! Same with the French! So it really was not something unusual. In like manner Poland in October 1938 claimed for itself the Teschen region and the former German town of Oderberg, a not insignificant part of the Czech Republic.

Then hysteria began to break out. “Poland is going to be next” was to be heard coming from Britain. Poland itself in March 1939 mobilized against East Prussia and fired, therefore, the opening shot in the escalation towards war. In response to the mobilization of Poland the directive for “Case White”, a possible attack on Poland, was issued. Its date of issue was April 3, 1939, two weeks after the Polish mobilization. Poland dared to take this step, because Britain and France declared on March 19, 1939 an unrestricted garauntee for Polands perpetuation. In a secret amendment to this treaty it was determined that this alliance would array itself militarily against Germany. Meanwhile this pact did not direct itself against the Soviet Union. In this regard Hitler's thoughts were not without basis, that the pact was exclusively anti-German.