The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yeah...because when they tried a face to face fight they got a bloody nose, so they resorted to poking us with a long stick.

you see? That's what I mean, how can you call that an unbiased assessment? But using your terms: I think the fight gave a bloody nose to both of them..

Oh losses are taken into account.....so they predicted the losses they'd suffer and were just fine with it....like an act of charity to make the Brits feel a little better about themselves?

yes, every armed forces does it, it's called damage assessment. No charities involved...

This just doesn't make sense....applying what logic to what countries?

your empire logic to other countries.

Ah the empire mentality.......another little jab at the Brits....so the Germans never had designs on an 'empire' ?......come to think of it while the British were empire building I seem to recall they weren't alone in that race at all.

man, you're really touchy are you? Why is that supposed to be a little jab or derogatory?!
The Germans were the main European empire, but nowadays they don't think in those terms anymore. Many in the UK still do it, probably thinking that the status of "Kingdom" means they still are an empire. Again, there's nothing wrong with the empire mentality, it's just a bit anachronistic.

[Bewolf]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...curity-history

....as if the author read this thread.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...curity-history

....as if the author read this thread.

Bewolf, you wanna become my spokesman?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Bewolf, you wanna become my spokesman?

depends on the pay, hehe.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...curity-history

....as if the author read this thread.

it's the kind of drivel you expect from such a left wing newspaper, so the article fits into your 'generalisation' of the British, hi5's all around chaps.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

it's the kind of drivel you expect from such a left wing newspaper, so the article fits into your 'generalisation' of the British, hi5's all around chaps.

oh so you're a right wing person, a "mild fascist" I hasten to add? Cos that's how it comes out following your logic..

[blackmme]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

oh so you're a right wing person, a "mild fascist" I hasten to add? Cos that's how it comes out, at least historically!

I don't think not liking the Grauniad makes anyone a 'mild fascist'.
Of course liking the Daily Mail does put you somewhat to the right of Goebbels.

Regards Mike

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by blackmme

I don't think not liking the Grauniad makes anyone a 'mild fascist'.
Of course liking the Daily Mail does put you somewhat to the right of Goebbels.

Regards Mike

Yes...what he said.

[bongodriver]

You just don't get what I mean

I guess so, and the same can be said for you it seems.

a "change of plans" doesn't mean "losing a battle".

If that change of plan is forced on you through failure of the initial objective it is.

what is it that is not quite clear, the concept of empire mentality?

Perhaps, for the most part I barely notice the existence of an empire, I am not aware of any significant change that would happen to life in the UK without the comonwealth countries headed by the UK monarchy, to us the are and will always be Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, even if the uk had the means to enforce it I seriously doubt it would ever bother maintaining an empire.

yes, but it's this dwelling over and over on the glories of the past that is a bit silly, and, as pointed by Bewolf's article, shows the insecurity of this society.
Besides, don't you think for a minute that the continuous celebration of the "victory" on the Battle of Britain could be somehow perceived as passive-aggressive by the Germans of today? And I'm not talking about the remembering of the pilots or victims, I'm talking about all the Battle of Britain low quality jibber jabber, with that air of arrogance and presumption as if it was fought yesterday?

nobody seems to begrudge the Americans any of this.......so why is it so offensive that the British want to honour the achievents of our armed forces? it's not a celebration of killing Germans, it is a reminder of what we stood against, if the Germans cant differentiate between a nazi and a German then what hope is there?
The arrogance you percieve is a myth, it suits your mentality.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by blackmme

I don't think not liking the Grauniad makes anyone a 'mild fascist'.
Of course liking the Daily Mail does put you somewhat to the right of Goebbels.

Regards Mike

it was a mere provocation, I think that opinions that we don't like reading (probably cos they're true) shouldn't be dismissed merely cos they are on a newspaper that leans towards a certain political side.