FMB Poll

[David198502]

i really like the FMB....i used it in 1946 and i use it in COD.
but i have to say,...that the old FMB was easier to understand.although the main functions are the same, and also the layout remained.but with the new possibility of scripting, im totally lost.i dont understand a word, if i look at scripts, and never could create one by myself.all i could do is to copy and paste.but i would like to understand how it works, to use the full potential of this feature.
one thing that bugs me most, is that im not even able to start different flights at different times anymore.it was sooo easy in 1946 and now one have to write a script for it....
detailed documentation is really required, but not only for the fmb but also for the planes...

[6BL Bird-Dog]

I have tried it but it realy needs a detailed manual to utilise all its features .I have not tried it since the early game paches and it seemed pretty buggy then.

[dflion]

Originally Posted by David198502

i really like the FMB....i used it in 1946 and i use it in COD.
but i have to say,...that the old FMB was easier to understand.although the main functions are the same, and also the layout remained.but with the new possibility of scripting, im totally lost.i dont understand a word, if i look at scripts, and never could create one by myself.all i could do is to copy and paste.but i would like to understand how it works, to use the full potential of this feature.
one thing that bugs me most, is that im not even able to start different flights at different times anymore.it was sooo easy in 1946 and now one have to write a script for it....
detailed documentation is really required, but not only for the fmb but also for the planes...

I am currently doing some final testing on a 12 mission Ju88 bomber campaign, it is looking very good, the Ju88 is great to fly - just for the 'Bomber members'. The new FMB is similar to the old one, though there has been some 'dislectic decisions' in some of the changes.

I totally agree with David198502 above, taking out the 'time start box' on the flight creating menu, so that you can start flights at different times, is crazy?
I have been experimenting with the scripting, with mixed results, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't?
I am trying to learn C basic, though it takes time. What Ilya and his team could do to help us all, is create a 'basic script' for all missions to get us up and running with FMB campaigns.
This script would have mission 'successfully completed' or 'failed' scripting then some sort of scripting to let us continue to the next campaign mission after 'successfully completing the previous one. This is all we need to get everybody creating some good campaigns.
I have asked Ataros and a few other script writers, for help to create this ''basic script' though, haven't had any responses, that I know of to date?

Sadly, I think Ilya has put the FMB later on his 'to do' list. It needs a lot of work still, some 'auto script programmes' written and a few 'command decisions' to re-introduce some of the the old FMB features that really made IL-2 Sturmovik stand way out from the other flight sims at the time.

DFLion

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by dflion

I have asked Ataros and a few other script writers, for help to create this ''basic script' though, haven't had any responses, that I know of to date?

I am not a script writer, I am rather a "script reader" and can copy and paste scripts sometimes if they are not too complicated. You can search for vetochka campaigns at airwarfare.com which hosts their translated versions. The latest campaign has basic scripts with success criteria and score calculation. Probably other authors of offline campaigns have their own versions of similar scripts which you can start working with.

If you post your script in the FMB section I am sure C# programmers will be ready to give advice and correct your mistakes if any. They need something concrete to start working with, say the above vetochka's scripts which you adopt for your campaign.

I think the most simple way to check for mission success would be to include 4 triggers into each of campaign missions (for target group destroyed by 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%) and ask C# programmers to write a specific script that would report results and load new mission depending on which trigger was active in the end of the previous mission. But you have to be very specific about what you need to achieve, e.g. if you want to repeat the previous mission in case of failure, etc.

[dflion]

I will post my script in the FMB section and ask for some help. The script works ok sometimes, then it doesn't? I will have a look at the 'vetochka' campaign scripts, as you suggested.

In the Ju88 campaign there are three flying training/positioning type missions, then the rest are combat missions. Two missions are 'dive-bombing' and the rest are 'pattern bombing'. I won't release it until I am happier with the scripting and hopefully the latest patch will be released, so that I can test it in it.

For the combat missions, all we need is 'a trigger' that says you got over the actual target area ok, then you made it back ok. Not sure what happens if you get 'shot down'?
Anyway, I will see what happens. I am sure I will eventually master writing the scripts, it just is the 'time factor', on top of creating a good interesting historical campaign.

DFLion

[Ataros]

At sukhoi.ru forums both campaign makers vetochka and piper-kiev team up with more experienced C# programmers to write scripts together. This proved to be an effective approach. When you start your thread in the FMB section I hope one of C# experts will be eager to help you.

BTW try talking to Mington. He knows C# but only starts learning CloD methods. I think your cooperation can be mutually beneficial. http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=26036&page=4

Originally Posted by dflion

For the combat missions, all we need is 'a trigger' that says you got over the actual target area ok, then you made it back ok. Not sure what happens if you get 'shot down'?

You can place some ground units in target area and use a "target destroyed" triggers to see what percentage of a target was destroyed.
I think you also need some fool-proof as a time restrain to get back to airfield in case all other triggers fail. You can add triggers which get active if the group is destroyed. Furthermore if aircrafts are damaged and crashland they are not considered destroyed and you can add some checks in OnAircraftCrashlanded method (e.g. check if the aircraft is player's aircraft). If a player lands at a different airfield you can use OnAircraftLanded method to make checks.

With recent beta you can add a TAB - 4 menu command e.g. "Submit mission report" that a player would need to select to end mission. You can check player status when this command is selected to decide if player made it back to base or not. This would prevent players from waiting till mission end if triggers fail.

[dflion]

Thanks again Ataros, you are pointing me in the right direction.
I will post my 'standard mission script' in the FMB area tomorrow and I really like your statement 'I think your co-operation can be mutually beneficial' ('very Russian') especially talking to Mington who seems to be very keen to help, even though he is learning about COD.
DFLion