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Old 09-17-2011, 06:23 PM
nearmiss nearmiss is offline
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Once the Chinese start working to build Blue Water navy, the whole world can start to worry.

The Chinese are aggressor nation, have been seen Genghis Khan. Even in our current modern world they just marched into Tibet and have taken over Tibet. That is the way of the Chinese, conquer, conquer and conquer some more.

The reason China is such a huge country. Everytime they take a country... they keep it. They never give up the land and will fight to keep it regardless of political, public or news media persuasions. They sure as heck haven't given up Tibet now have they? World opinion from all the world isn't making them change a thing. The Chinese have always been in their own world, and care less about the rest of the world. They do their own thing, regardless.

There is no way there is anything peaceful going to come of any military expansion by the Chinese, especially if they can integrate modern technology with their war machine.

That's how you teach people to hate. You make them identify with their enemy from childhood. Nothing, good can ever come from anything that portrays any other country (that actually exists) as an enemy to war against.

War game and movie enemies should always be some non-existent country. This way players aren't programmed to mentally attach enemy to real countries. There is a lot that can be done with subliminal and repetitive programming. Communism embraced the theory "the more you say it and the more vehement you are when you say it, the more it becomes believable as true". (even if it is a pack of lies)

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Old 09-17-2011, 07:02 PM
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Funny, I remember the first time I played the Airport level in MW2 - it was like OMG this is awful / OMG this is brilliant in equal doses...

I don't see any difference between this and CoD - At the end of the day if it's ok to have a game where you mow down people, then what difference does it make what nationality they are? People are people. To differentiate is dangerous.
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Old 09-17-2011, 07:32 PM
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Nice try nearmiss but no cigar! Replace China with US and you are spot on mate.

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Old 09-17-2011, 09:11 PM
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Taking the politically correct and moral high ground doesn't have any merit if it only happens when you are the one in the crosshairs!
The Chinese developers design a game for their target audience the same way as western developers do, the only difference is they don't waste time being all gay and pc about it by making up a make believe enemy that just so happens to look, talk, use the weapons of and come from a country that we aren't so fond of, as our developers often do! This does not make them any worse than us!

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Old 09-17-2011, 09:45 PM
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The US Military is in fact a make believe enemy of the Chinese PLA because the real military the PLA face is India's. Yes the PLA Navy is in direct opposition with the USN in Taiwan area but that isn't the kind of fighting in Viking's wet dream of shooting US soldiers he is posting about here.

This echos the made up Russian enemy of the USA when the real enemies were (and still are) Iran and N. Korea. China, Russia and USA all have the same values (i.e. respect for life, law and order) and all have a common enemy. Don't believe for a minute that these FPS games are any reflection of real world power struggles.
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Old 09-17-2011, 10:43 PM
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China, Russia and USA all have the same values (i.e. respect for life, law and order) .
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Old 09-18-2011, 05:33 AM
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I find it hard to compare the Chinese and Russian govs. and "system values" to the USA.

It seems that us westerners are complete economy-oriented, in each sphere of our life and working environments.
Even in our way of thinking... which is dangerous IMO, but which demonstrates how completely "economy led" we are,
and how our old political values have drowned down in the toilet during the past 20 years.

Whenever a country rises from a very poor background (like Russia and China did) and starts to compete on an economic
level with us, we automatically think that they're our "partners" and equal to us, while in fact this is totally far from the truth.
We automatically position these nations as "succesful" and as "economic powers" that we could trade with.... But we forget
to see better in depth all the problems that lie beneath the system, starting from the repect for human rights and for
the most important aspects that were laid down long ago in declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen in 1793.
And the respect for the "single, individual, human being".

As much as I love russian culture (I really do, my girlfriend is russian, I can speak a little and I am improving their language, I have lots of russian,ukrainian,moldovian,bielorussian friends here in Rome. And they're great friends! All of them study here in Italy, and not a single one of them wants to get back to his/her country!) I can say they have a very long way to just start to reach a level of respect of human rights as close to what we have here in EU.
See, it's easy to be amazed by how many building plans have been laid and carried out in Moscow, St.Petersburg and other important cities, not knowing the working conditions of slave-workers (coming especially by Takjikistan,Uzbekistan and other central asian countries), paid ridiculously barely survival wages, stacked 10 in a room for sleeping, without protection whatsoever from any Union etc...
And let's not try to talk about corruption.... You should be more afraid of policemen there than criminals...

Just take a look here and here

The problem is: "on paper" they look like modern and civilized "systems", while the reality is a little bit different.

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Old 09-19-2011, 12:27 AM
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Op flashpoint red river, US vs PLA.



1 game each, so.
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Old 09-20-2011, 04:02 AM
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Don't believe for a minute that these FPS games are any reflection of real world power struggles.
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Old 09-20-2011, 05:58 PM
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Modern warfare 2: russia invades america after an american secret agent posing as a terrorist is involved in a massacre of civilians at a russian airport. get to kill alot of russian military soldiers if i remember correctly lol.

Crysis - Fighting the North Korean army.... then later on some alien race.

Modern warfare 3 (coming soon): more killing of russian soldiers.

prolly a few more that i cant think of right now, but these 3 do come to mind.

Dont get me wrong, im not anti-american, but im all for a game that puts the shoe on the other foot.... well, its a 1st person shooter, so i couldnt care either way To be honest, i would love to play a WWII shooter from a german grunts perspective, would be awsome!
Exactly how i feel, plus playing the "bad guy" is usually more fun and enhances the sense of escapism we get from video-games.

It's exactly the reason that even though my country suffered greatly under axis occupation i mostly fly Luftwaffe birds in flight sims and have no emotional hindrances doing so.

Furthermore, in every single role playing game i've played that features branching storyline paths, i always play my character as a complete self-serving spoiled brat with his own interests in mind. I get enough of being an everyday normal guy in my real life, so videogames for me are mostly a way to be something i wouldn't want to be in the real world because my morals wouldn't let me.

If the videogame was any good i'd have no qualms shooting up virtual troops dressed in US uniforms and i would enjoy it too, just like i've shot cops in GTA games and shot at allied aircraft in IL2. It's no big deal for me and even if it was, i would simply choose to play a different game or pick a different allegiance.
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