IL2 and Sound Modding

[jasonbirder]

Far from it...it seems that everyone here is saying the same thing...that as soon as tools became available that made it possible to cheat with relative impunity, then cheating became widespread...
I infer from that that the online community isn't exactly the kind of place i'd like to spend my free time (IE with people who will lie and cheat me) and I wonder why so many people are happy to fly in that environment...
Alternatively...cheating isn't really a big issue at all...and people here are making far, far too much of it!

[Rama]

Well... let me tell you...
The real world is the kind of place you spend all your time (not only your free time), and it's full of peoples who will lie and cheat you (no more and no less than in any community).
But it's also a place where you have your friends and where you do everything (alone or in good company...)
Now you're also happy that the police is protecting you from escrocs and criminal, and you're bothered when you discover a relation is cheating you, you would certainly prefer not having this relation.

It's all the same in online sim... but since its a place you're not obliged to go, and where you go only for fun, if the entry is full open for cheaters, then you will at some point prefer to meet your friends in another game place, where the cheater door is closed enough that they need a bazooka to open it... and so you'll know they are there and can change game room when it's the case.

[LEXX]

Bear::

Yes Lexx you are right about one thing.. this whole line of reasoning you are on is simple....

Look I know some of those mods are good things that folks have wanted for a long time... that is why I don't go around trashing guys who use them... and not only that I still have a great deal of respect for some of the guys I know who use the mods.. because I know that they will not use them where they aren't wanted.. but until online play can be secured from those who do not have the same values, as much as I might want to try out some of them.. and I do.. I will not.... and I do that because it is right for me.... I can't judge YOU... or anyone else who prefers to do otherwise....

Yough Bear. Believe it or not, I hold the same view as ElAurens (or the view he/she currently claims). ElAurens recently poasted that he/she would accept the hack/mods if Oleg approved, which is a 180 degree reversal from the usual "mods kill sim" doctrine. I would like to modup 1946 for early Eastern Front simming where Oleg abandoned it for AEP, but I first have to buy 1946. I will do neither unless Oleg gives some kind of approval. No mods, no sale. But this opinion is for myself alone, and for none other.


Simplicity is the start of understanding.

[LEXX]

Yup. The most effective form of cheating might be undetectable -- never noticed. Oddly, this was never advertised until after the Sound Mod became widely known. For years, all we were told was that anybody asking for modding ability only wanted to cheat with X-Wing F-16 Tie Fighters -- I guess these three spacecraft make good slogans to use -- far better slogan than "You only want to add 5% power to climb and cheat!"


The most wild FM and DM online and Offline mod cheat in FB Hristo-ry was Oleg's original I-16 mod from FB 1.0 that outclimbed -109K and had the Tiger tank damage model.

Oleg's I-16 mod was BANNED from all servers.
Oleg's I-16 mod was even BANNED from Offline single play by some customers. Despite I-16 being my 2nd fave aircraft after MiG-3, I simply could not use the thing in single play missions, as the FB 1.0 I-16 always survived and completely dominated 1945 missions against 1945 LW aircraft.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by LEXX

Bear::

Yough Bear. Believe it or not, I hold the same view as ElAurens (or the view he/she currently claims). ElAurens recently poasted that he/she would accept the hack/mods if Oleg approved, which is a 180 degree reversal from the usual "mods kill sim" doctrine. I would like to modup 1946 for early Eastern Front simming where Oleg abandoned it for AEP, but I first have to buy 1946. I will do neither unless Oleg gives some kind of approval. No mods, no sale. But this opinion is for myself alone, and for none other.


Simplicity is the start of understanding.

Cant speak for ElAurens but as far as im concerned about "accepting mods if Oleg gave his approval" implies that Oleg or some appointed had the final say in any "official" mod.

So in that sence its no where near a "180 degree reversal"


If Oleg however approved of a free for all modfest online (like thats gonna happen)...well, i for one wouldnt keep on playing this game for long, thats for sure.

[Evgeny]

I think, that's enough, guys. It was a rather hot thread, but I think it survived usefulness already, so i'm closing it.