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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

again, points of view man. The right to bear arms has little to do with your hobby or hunting, if the right of self defence means being egocentric, then I'm one.

Do not confuse the right for self defense with the right to have a gun. If you have no idea how to use your fists, I'd advise a self defense course. Also helps a lot with Ego and the need to compensate..... with guns.

Totally agree, and I'd rather be armed.

You know, mature person now would say "totally agree, and we will have to find solutions for that" or "totally agree, we need to plan ahead to reduce the potential dangers to a minimum, as we are all in this boat if we like it or not."

However, your reply.....immature, irresponsible, emotional driven and with implied contempt for the fates of others. Exactly the kind of mindset one does not want to connect to a gun to. Are you so bound to prove my point?

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Of course, there are less than 50k guns for 60 millions of people! I don't need a gun to defend myself from a gun waving murderer, but potentially for anybody who would try and commit a violent assault to me, my family or my property. How can you be happy to live in a society where you can't even provide for your family protection? Is it just a case of "let's hope it's not gonna happen to me", then if it happens you'll still say "tough"?

You only "need" to provide this protection if you create the conditions for that need. It's a self fullfilling prophecy, especially in tightly populated european countries. If a given society falls apart and violence spreads, then it would make sense to find the causes for that and solve it instead of fighting the symptons till the end of days.

You were at gunpoint yourself, which means that criminals can still get a pistol, so why shouldn't you? It's obvious that police forces can't limit the presence of illegal firearms in this country, so thank you very much, but I'd rather defend myself with my own means.
In that immediate stance you risked your life without being able to defend yourself. You hit the guy and he fled (which probably means his gun was fake), but what if you missed or if he decided he wanted more from you than just your wallet? It's insane to think you went through that and still think you shouldn't be able to ultimately defend yourself.

I have been at gunpoint myself when I was 19. Still live, though, and so does the one holding that gun. But it did not even require me to punch him, just told him to either shoot or to stick it where the sun never grows and leave me alone. Guess what he did? As I said, I rather take the risk of being threatend with a gun then to make society much more dangerous in general for some dubious arguments mostly born of pure Ego.