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[Hunden]

Sternjaeger II I wouldn't put to much more energy into this, there isn't much more you can say to convince people who have their minds made up. I'm all for the next guy not having a gun. Just don't try to take mine because you know us paranoid type.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Hunden

Sternjaeger II I wouldn't put to much more energy into this, there isn't much more you can say to convince people who have their minds made up.

That goes both ways doesn't it.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Hood

That goes both ways doesn't it.

I'm sorry I thought you said you go both ways when I first read it.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Hunden

I'm sorry I thought you said you go both ways when I first read it.

Put your banjo down before reading then.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Hood

You take responsibility? I presume you have a cape to twirl whilst you dish out punishment in your vigilante alter ego?

I presume that you know that the "right to bear arms" has different interpretations, and that it was formulated in the late 18th century? By people who had to support the idea of armed insurrection as that is what they had just done?

yeah, there's the right way to interpret it, then there's your way

I don't have to defend my nation as my government does that on my behalf, and I trust them to do so. Owning a gun wouldn't help me defuse an IED in Afghanistan, or stop a terrorist attack. How do you defend your nation by owning a gun? Owning a gun doesn't empower you to do anything at all; that's what the rule of law does.

aaawwwww bless, so you can vouch for the fact that we (in the UK) live in a society that is safe cos the government and police do a good job at protecting us? I take it you're also implying that all the Swiss citizens are crazy? As for the rule of laws, it might come as news to you, but criminals normally are tagged as such because they break the law.. so you play by the rules, they don't, they might get you killed and then, maybe arrested. But in the end who won? In Italy we say "it's better to have a bad trial than a nice funeral".

It really doesn't bother me that the USA allows the right to bear arms. It's your country and your politicians and if you vote for them and they let you have what you want then that's fine. If you disagree with your government by all means form a militia and march on Washington. It'll make great TV whilst it lasts.

it's different, the American presidentialism offers more possibilities than our constitutional monarchy (another thing that leaves me well puzzled..I respect it of course, but regardless of what you say it's a waste of money, period).
If an American disagrees at least he has the option to get on the road with his militia (which hasn't really happened so far), if you disagree cos your government is shafting you, you do what "keep calm and carry on"?

However, don't criticise another country's peoples and laws just because you do not agree with them. If you're not a citizen then it's really none of your business. That goes for the whole guns are great/bad argument.

Giggle away.

this is valid for your as well, you criticise the American system and then ask others to respect the UK one..
I wish I could giggle about this, but men that can't even take the ultimate responsibility of defending their own country and/or neighbourhood are men anymore? You probably never had to deal with a public disorder/crime situation here, where what really comes out is how helpless and useless policing is here. Besides, if your government and police are so efficient, why do you think we have things like "neighbourhood watch" in place? Are they all crazy?

Originally Posted by Hood

Put your banjo down before reading then.

..and this is yet another example of your provocative nature.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

yeah, there's the right way to interpret it, then there's your way



aaawwwww bless, so you can vouch for the fact that we (in the UK) live in a society that is safe cos the government and police do a good job at protecting us? I take it you're also implying that all the Swiss citizens are crazy? As for the rule of laws, it might come as news to you, but criminals normally are tagged as such because they break the law.. so you play by the rules, they don't, they might get you killed and then, maybe arrested. But in the end who won? In Italy we say "it's better to have a bad trial than a nice funeral".


it's different, the American presidentialism offers more possibilities than our constitutional monarchy (another thing that leaves me well puzzled..I respect it of course, but regardless of what you say it's a waste of money, period).
If an American disagrees at least he has the option to get on the road with his militia (which hasn't really happened so far), if you disagree cos your government is shafting you, you do what "keep calm and carry on"?



this is valid for your as well, you criticise the American system and then ask others to respect the UK one..
I wish I could giggle about this, but men that can't even take the ultimate responsibility of defending their own country and/or neighbourhood are men anymore? You probably never had to deal with a public disorder/crime situation here, where what really comes out is how helpless and useless policing is here. Besides, if your government and police are so efficient, why do you think we have things like "neighbourhood watch" in place? Are they all crazy?



..and this is yet another example of your provocative nature.

Yes we are safe, as safe as anyone can be.

Nope haven't criticised the American system - it's their system to do with as they will, so is neither good nor bad, just different. I disagree with it, but that's not criticism. I'm not sure where the assumption comes from that I'm implying the Swiss are crazy, so I won't even touch on that further. Crazy costs of living yes.

Lots of people in the UK don't understand the monarchy either. I happen to be in favour for a number of reasons but that's a different subject.

What really gets me is that all the pro-gun crowd seem to be equating gun = ability to defend. A gun is needed because the other guy has one. In the UK the vast majority don't have guns to use, so we don't need one. I can defend myself if I have to, but that doesn't help me defend my country. What kind of skewed thinking is that.

As for my provocative nature, what a sweeping assumption to make based on my caustic response to a provocative comment. I wonder what the other examples are?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Hood

Yes we are safe, as safe as anyone can be.

then you must live in some remote part of the UK and you don't watch TV news. Seriously? That's pure denial.

Nope haven't criticised the American system - it's their system to do with as they will, so is neither good nor bad, just different. I disagree with it, but that's not criticism. I'm not sure where the assumption comes from that I'm implying the Swiss are crazy, so I won't even touch on that further. Crazy costs of living yes.

cos every man there is asked to defend his country, just like when you had the territorial Army here during the war. Maybe that's why you are against guns, you watched too many re-runs of Dad's Army..

Lots of people in the UK don't understand the monarchy either. I happen to be in favour for a number of reasons but that's a different subject.

it's off topic, but I'd be genuinely interested to know why, feel free to PM me about it.

What really gets me is that all the pro-gun crowd seem to be equating gun = ability to defend. A gun is needed because the other guy has one. In the UK the vast majority don't have guns to use, so we don't need one. I can defend myself if I have to, but that doesn't help me defend my country. What kind of skewed thinking is that.

that's a somehow romantic view, guns can be used to defend yourself when you'd be easily overcome by someone stronger or in greater numbers than you. It's a battle leveller: if everyone has the same offensive potential, everyone stays calm. It's what our governments do with nuclear weapons: they don't use 'em, but they're there, just in case..

As for my provocative nature, what a sweeping assumption to make based on my caustic response to a provocative comment. I wonder what the other examples are?

yeah, but that was a bit over the line here.. as you know banjos are Luthier's fav instrument

[Timberwolf]

"However, don't criticise another country's peoples and laws just because you do not agree with them. If you're not a citizen then it's really none of your business. That goes for the whole guns are great/bad argument."

I live in Canada, Where yes you can own a gun. However I live in a major city for 40 years and still haven't found a "local gunshop" I'm thinking of the Amendment in the States "Right to baer arms" was in a time when you had cvil wars, Indians losing there lands, Bears and unlawful towns in some parts of the country. And really Each to his/Her own. But When you see or hear of a mass murder with M-16's, or find out Are/your Troops were killed by M-16's that were given to Afghanistan to help fight the war against Russiain the 80's

Makes me skahe my head to think the gun that killed are fallen troops was made in the USA

If everyone owned a gun would it be right? Do you know
The United States has the highest rate of gun related injuries (not deaths per capita) among developed countries, though they also have the highest rate of gun ownership and highest rate of officers

It ranks up there with 3rd world Countries

A idea would be to stop making guns! The more there are the eazier it is to get one ( Hunters get 1 rifle ) Gun hobbist ( find another hobby) or use rentals at a gun range. Automatic guns banned. FBI, SWAT, Homeland, Army etc only anyone else min 10 years

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Hood

Put your banjo down before reading then.

How did you know I was playing my banjo?

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Hunden

How did you know I was playing my banjo?

Educated guess