Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[jasonbirder]

and promotes here openly that stealing from oleg and vandalizing his property is ok

steal (TAKE AWAY) Show phonetics
verb [I or T] stole, stolen
1 to take something without the permission or knowledge of the owner and keep it:

So what exactly has a Mod user taken?

Or are you just being rude and agressive (again) for the simple reason that you would prefer all legitimate purchasers of IL2 to be restricted to using exactly the same install of the game as you do?

[Bandit Bill]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

steal (TAKE AWAY) Show phonetics
verb [I or T] stole, stolen
1 to take something without the permission or knowledge of the owner and keep it:

So what exactly has a Mod user taken?

Or are you just being rude and agressive (again) for the simple reason that you would prefer all legitimate purchasers of IL2 to be restricted to using exactly the same install of the game as you do?

Jason:

I'd just leave it alone from here on out. The anti-modders are intractable, the pro-modders are equally so.

Responding to Zap's childish insult-laden posts is just pouring more words onto a post that is going nowhere, fast. I don't know about you, but i personally left the schoolyard name-calling in the dim past 30 years ago.. if zap et al are still stuck back there, then let them have at it, alone. They can argue with themselves for all i care.

As i've indicated earlier, there appears to be more than meets the eye going on here, in terms of this pro-modder/anti-modder slag-fest on this forum, and the 'other' forum.. and it doesn't sit well with me at all. Uther has only confirmed what i also was PM'd.

It matters to me not one bit any longer what the anti-modders care about this controversy. Sorry about your luck with your 'pure version' v.4.0.* 1946 game online, but i'm going to continue enjoying both my modded and unmodded versions, both online and offline, without really a care about what these anti-mod zealots think - because in the end, it's just a game, and it's just a spewage of random ascii on forum topics, that should have been moderated or locked down long ago.

Have fun. Thats what is important. If you can't have fun with the present situation, well it sucks to be you. Just move on and stop the whining. There are far more important things in life to get all bent about - this isn't one of them.

[robtek]

what really gets twisted here is the impression that there are "anti - modders".
Here, as far as i can see, are no "anti - modders" !!!!!
What some people see as "anti - modder" are people who are just ANTI - CHEATER !!!
As i see it everybody can change his game any way he (or she) likes just as long as he
(or she) doesn´t uses this "improvements" online to have an advantage!!!!!
Some of those mods or hacks or however really improve the game and as long as everybody
in a given Game uses it there is no problem.
The problem is and was that now you have to trust people in online games because the hacks made it so easy to cheat.
And one thing is shure: where there is competition there are cheater, and that is not only online.

[Krt_Bong]

You guys are just the biggest bunch of uniformed Dorks, yeah that's right Dorks. You think you know everything but you just have a few facts and not very well documented and you go off threatening everyone whom YOU are sure cheats. Here's a small tidbit for you to chew on.
I Have posted on that Forum and under the name Chebawookie so you can check them yourself.
I was under the impression at first that the Mods were cool, even useful as career or single player mods. I didn't think people were really cheating 'cos there's no way anyone could get past the CR=2 and how would you be able to use a Me-410 on a server where none was available? But I changed my mind, in fact I was using Jonesoft generic Mod enabler to switch between versions so I could retain my games integrity and therefore not be using the mod on servers not allowing it, But then something happened and my eyes were opened. Servers are insisting that Hyperlobby be used above direct IP Joining, All Seeing Eye or any other method, Personnally I've always refused to use it, Heard bad things about it, just plain didn't like it.
Now I have documented proof. I tried it myself and HL allows cheating, Mod enabling, Hacks, whatever label you prefer. HL will get past all the checks and NO-ONE can detect it. I was sick of reading the endless tripe from all the people at both forums and even when I tried to ask the Triple A guys to be mindful of it they descibed themselves as intelligent folks who would'nt consider cheating but I'm the bad guy for saying something. FU! I've been playing since R6 on win98 I've seen my share of Hacks and cheats. and my clan the Knights of the Round Table wont cheat Hack or do anything that gives an advantage over people who play fair. I'm absolutely sick to death of the childish BS that abounds by the faceless Hide Behind the Monitor Types who talk trash about modding and Hacking, If your so GD Smart than do something about it, If you know how to get to the developer of HL get them to work something out, and stop bitcchin about it here!

[96th_Nightshifter]

Originally Posted by Krt_Bong

Now I have documented proof. I tried it myself and HL allows cheating, Mod enabling, Hacks, whatever label you prefer. HL will get past all the checks and NO-ONE can detect it.

With all due respect, Hyperlobby isn't supposed to stop cheats, hack, mods or whatever you want to call it? Hyperlobby is simply a program to allow people to join the same servers.

It is the host of the server who has the limited ability to either stop or allow mods, it has nothing to do with Hyperlobby.

Just curious as to what your "documented proof" is? You joined Hyperlobby with a mod enabled and took a screenshot or what?

"uninformed Dorks" Maybe you want to re-think that last post.

[Krt_Bong]

Originally Posted by 96th_Nightshifter

With all due respect, Hyperlobby isn't supposed to stop cheats, hack, mods or whatever you want to call it? Hyperlobby is simply a program to allow people to join the same servers.

It is the host of the server who has the limited ability to either stop or allow mods, it has nothing to do with Hyperlobby.

Just curious as to what your "documented proof" is? You joined Hyperlobby with a mod enabled and took a screenshot or what?

"uninformed Dorks" Maybe you want to re-think that last post.

Ok maybe I didn't make this clear enough for you to understand me, the Server side settings are useless when HL is used, no matter what checks you use HL will circumvent them , so it may be true HL is not responsible however it is still enabling it to continue. Uniformed Dorks refers to the core group of people who still think that hackers are using some script to allow them to get into games where the mod is not allowed and cheat and going apeshit about how modding cheating hackers are ruining it for everyone. Yes I am venting about the stupid comments made here and at the Zoo as well as in the mod community 'cos everyone thinks that their opinion is the last and most important one , certainly my opinion could be wrong but it is only my opinion and by stating it, I now have to listen to your side: valid , or not and accept your side which you have a right to state but don't attack the messenger just hear what he has to say then decide, like maybe: "really I did not know this, thank you" or "this is old news and doesn't matter "

[jasonbirder]

what really gets twisted here is the impression that there are "anti - modders".
Here, as far as i can see, are no "anti - modders" !!!!!
What some people see as "anti - modder" are people who are just ANTI - CHEATER !!!

If that were true we wouldn't be having this discussion...Online players could have the floor to themselves and discuss whether Stronger Server administration or a third party developed server side file checking system would be the best way to protect future online play...

Unfortunately there is a gaggle of Online players who consistantly insult and offend anyone who believes in third party modification.
If they would just concede that use of third party modifications in either an Offline or controlled Online setting was acceptable and that the work of the developers of community generated Mods is an positive addition to the game we could all shake hands, smile and get abck to enjoying the game we all love.

As long as people like

Zapatister
El Laurens
Strewth
Rave
Baron

say things like

Then the debate will continue its long and tedious path...

promotes here openly that stealing from oleg and vandalizing his property

you lot hacked the sim. And I do in fact know right from wrong

you blow nothing but wind out your rear end...Do you support criminal activity

Great JOB IDIOTS...great job the sad thing is most all of you are arcade flying noobs

every whining son of a goat that expects that they know more. BLOW IT OUT YOUR ARSE MATE!

There is a core group over there that simply wants to bring down the game, for their own perverted, juvenile gratification

What the hackers even doing here just ban them

iv heard from a relible source that strictly offliners are former onliners who just couldnt cut the mustard.....is that true?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by stalkervision as jasonbirder' alter ego

actually my logic is impecable zap it's your's that needs a major tunup bud-dy. Cheating is cheating no matter what devices you use to accompolish it...

an anology. You are taking a test and you cheat by first writing the answers on a small paper and hide it in your shoe which you use during the test. Another person HACKS the schools computer and rewrites his test score to show an "a" What is the difference?

apparentky your the person that needs a stranger to point out your arguments logical fallacies..

your complete lack of being able to understand even basic concepts is absolutely stunning, are you just pretending to be this thick or is this the real deal of what goes on inside your head ?

the comparison being made was between somebody using the printscreen key to cause some lag online, and on the other hand the situation we have now with the il2 code being completely blown open so everything can be edited with a few simple cut and pastes, including the plane DM and FM, weapons loads etc..

you really cant spot the difference there ? maybe need to call a friend to understand that profound comparison ?

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

steal (TAKE AWAY) Show phonetics
verb [I or T] stole, stolen
1 to take something without the permission or knowledge of the owner and keep it:

So what exactly has a Mod user taken?

yes promoting the hacks is stealing from oleg, and using them online in full real servers is equal to lying and cheating. there is no clean end to pick up a turd, its always still a turd.

since you cant seem to understand what stealing actually means even after looking it up in a dictionary, just imagine if all the current on sale copies of 1946 had a sticker added to them saying "this game has now been completely hacked open and vandalized by spotty faced teens, whenever you use it online it will be impossible for you to fly and compete in a fair environment", do you think that will increase or decrease sales ?

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

So Offline players are responsible for causing Online Cheating?
I'd be interested in you explaining the mechanism for that...
If not, then as I said...the problem with online cheating is caused solely by and is solely the responsibility of, online players...

and off he goes again proudly trumpeting his ignorance as if all logic and reasoning has been banished from the planet.

just in case you still cant actually understand the very simple issue that is going on here. nobody cares if you and your pocket pool playing chummies stick your 1946 dvd's in the microwave and watch them catch on fire, the problem is that the hacking of the il2 files and its widespread availability has also ruined the online competitive flying environment for many other il2 users.

ahh but thats right, you dont actually care about others.