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12-31-2007, 01:03 PM
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Not aircraft, weapons, and so on.....Yet aspects of "play" as I can assure you if I was able to have a 20% greater field of view then you in a head to head competition in the same aircraft you would state quite clearly...."Unfair, that's cheating". K2 (See I can cut and paste too  )
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12-31-2007, 01:20 PM
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I agree with you here Billfish. I have TrackIR and wouldnt fly without it but for the reasons you stated I wont use the 6dof. Tho leitmotiv does make a compelling argument to try it, it does sound nice. But I dont want to see all the holes in the cockpits thats would just ruin the immersion factor right there. I love the sound mod and will continue to use it as it greatly improves immersion factor and thats what important to me.
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12-31-2007, 01:49 PM
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Alas, there are no holes. Who has been spreading that rumor? I have yet to see a hole. If I see one, I'll report it. I would not use the mod if it was crude. I am a horrible snob, and I hate crude work. I have used the He 111, Do 335, I-16, I-153, Ki-27, A6M3, Ju 88, Bf 109G-6A/S, Fw 190A-5, Bf 110, P-38J, that I can recall, and the only flub was a floating small cowling bump on the 109 in certain very narrow angles---big deal.
P.S. And, we all know the official reason for not providing 6 DOF was always that the cockpits were not designed for 6 DOF. There were never any statements about preserving online balance---this is pure invention, BF. Anyway, because of the vast disparities in simming gear and experience there will never be a level playing field. Last edited by X; 12-31-2007 at 01:55 PM. |
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12-31-2007, 02:32 PM
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use or not to sue...sure, hacking the IL2 code wanst a good idea. But personally i use the sound mod. Why? well...i waited so long for new sounds, epsecially for .50 cal and some engines...i hed to try it. And when installed...WOW...i must admit they did an incredible job. Im not here to promote this or that thing; many times the comunity asked for better sounds, more realistic sounds and never had them. Im not telling that Oleg or his team is wrong: they had their motivation for not implementing new sounds. But as i said i watied for this too long to dont try them. And now IL2 for me is simply reborn. Incredibly more immersive than before. ..But ok...on the other side there is the cheating problem in the online comunity. So, from a presonal point of view, in terms of "gameplay pleasure" i must admit that this mod is great: it add that thing a waited for so long.
Yes cheating in online session can "destroy" a game: but sometimes im little bit suprised how this sound mod could destabilize an entire comunity: ok its not a good thing hacking the game. But it was a question of time. And now its a while that the mod is there....so...why can we just past over now?...yes yes i can immagine your answere...but im a little bit bored to se people "insult" each other because one "support" and the other not...at this point only Oleg can fix the problem in future patch...and if he will not...try to live with and look farther. |
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12-31-2007, 03:04 PM
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My first post here... It's crazy, but if this 6DoF was a feature of the recent beta patch, everyone would be singing to the heavens about how wonderful it is. How fair and just and timely an addition. Flight simmers are such a weird bunch. Always screaming for more, but always frightened of something new and terrified of change. The salvation of the whole Il-2 series is here, and they won't touch it because it doesn't have a designer label. The new viewing system works. It's FoV has been refined to stop any of the inconsistencies that were apparent in earlier versions. It works. Isn't that what you are supposed to want from a flight simulator? A better experience. Not, as Leitmotiv says - a balanced toy for onliners. For myself, I've given up on the whole online thing. It's grindingly repetitive and has nothing to recommend it anymore. Now I have a choice of online play and the tedious late-war planesets and shallow objectives. Or a purely offline experience. With every aircraft there to be rediscovered all over again. And more third party maps and enhancements than I have seen in years. It's a pretty easy choice to make. 
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12-31-2007, 04:12 PM
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Completely concur with Dr. F_IV's diagnosis.
In the interest of full disclosure, I ran through a tremendous number of airplanes looking for egregious flaws caused by the 6 DOF mod. First, an observation. We, alas, do not get fully capable 6 DOF with the mod because we are not able to lean our heads out of the canopy. You can lean out of your canopy in BOBII, for example, but those models were designed from the start for 6 DOF. Now, compared to the early essays in 6 DOF we saw in FS9 in which cockpits not designed for 6 DOF were crudely adapted, the IL-2 46 6 DOF mod is superb. The 46 job is not crude. Are there inevitably glitches? Yes. They always occur when you are extremely close to your gunsight when you are looking along your cowling. Some aircraft were not given a contiguous cowling right up to the windscreen, thus, in extreme close up, some exhibit small gaps. Compared to the monster holes we used to see in FS9, they are nothing. I found this in the LaGGs, Las, the Hellcats, and very slightly in the MiG-3 (this list is not intended to be definitive). Where I expected to see gaps, like in the huge snouts of Spitfires and Corsairs, or in the complex glazing of the Pe-2/3, He 111, and Ju 88, there were none. I consider this to be fantastic. You will feel like you have never been in these bombers before after flying them with 6 DOF---you are no longer imprisoned by the framework of their complex glazing, you can look around the frames. Flying is so much easier, and so much more natural when you are not banging from one range view to another like a reflex camera. Some things need to be refined. It is very hard to get your head low enough to see properly through the Pe-2/3's gunsight. You almost can't get your head far enough to the right to properly use the 262's sight. But, the rear view in the P-40E is suddenly spectacular. Same for the P-39s. Dive bombing in the D3A1 is so much easier. Unfortunately, the SBD was designed so that you have to use the bombsight view to look through the tele sight so it derives no benefit from 6 DOF, a pity. Anyway, if somebody has been spreading rumors of gross deformities due to the 6 DOF, it is a blatant untruth, and more hysteria from the fanatics. The truth of the matter is that the 6 DOF mod is a brilliant achievement. Last edited by X; 12-31-2007 at 04:45 PM. |
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12-31-2007, 04:34 PM
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You make a great argument. I suppose I will end up testing it too.
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01-01-2008, 12:06 AM
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Wellcome to The Yellow Wallpaper Feathered-4
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Latch onto a Online play mod-friendly community, or some modded or un-modded Online War community, if you've never tried that before. Mod or No Mod, maybe get yourself invited into a private server or squad. Hint: If somewhere you don't see any of the following four gamer behaviors... (1) Team Killing (2) Kill Stealing (3) Snotty chat behavior (4) Renegade wingpersons abandoning teamwork ...then you will never see mod cheating there. |
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01-01-2008, 12:26 AM
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01-01-2008, 12:17 AM
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X (leitmotive) ... test I-16 for 6DOF?
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