Post made by Jason at Sim HQ

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Seeker

Oh please, what's this, the new conspiracy Oleg defence?

Even if Clod's code base was lifted intact and ported to another game (which is what is being implied),

no it isnt what is being implied at all.

in order to participate in a meaningful way you are at least expected to read what others wrote before you, and then make an effort to apply some basic reasoning and logic to the (few) real facts we have. then substract the influence from tree's deliberate thread crapping with misinformation and attitude of "lets blame oleg for everything" , and you'd arrive at the starting point of roughly having a sensible conversation.

what was being said is that there were 2 phases where significant time was lost
1) 2 years after the project started they ditched the "advanced il2 game/gfx engine", and
2) when there was some major upheaval another 2 or 3 yrs later when oleg fired a bunch of people because of unprofessional conduct and breaches of confidentiality and oleg had to restructure large parts of the project

the 3e known fact is that the 2e oleg disruption took place around the time RoF was in its early development (or just started ?). nobody is saying "they" stole the whole code from BoB and instantly started RoF, but there are some links between those events.

i'd love to get some input from russian forum readers on this, but few seem to visit here (other then around the russian release period earlier this year)

the heart of the matter remains unchanged, without oleg's vision, efforts, and previous work, there simply would be no BoB/CoD in ANY form that can aspire to be a high end flightsim, and there never would have been. and since we dont have all the details about the exact reasons for the buggy and unfinished recent release of CoD, putting the sole blame on oleg is silly, partic since we know that up until he was given the "one year release date ultimatum" that led to this fiasco, oleg was still very much involved in its creation (but not anymore beyond that point, which directly relates to the problems we have now)

[LoBiSoMeM]

I want Oleg back. Or a patch next month, if it's possible...

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by zapatista

no it isnt what is being implied at all.

in order to participate in a meaningful way you are at least expected to read what others wrote before you, and then make an effort to apply some basic reasoning and logic to the (few) real facts we have. then substract the influence from tree's deliberate thread crapping with misinformation and attitude of "lets blame oleg for everything" , and you'd arrive at the starting point of roughly having a sensible conversation.

You are exactly and precisely implying that code was lost and reused. Perhaps English isn't your first language? Try rereading your post.

And why, if you are trying to have a conversation, do you bring Tree into it? I really can't see the relevance of Tree's postings juxtapostioned with my own. It's a basic logic and reasoning thing.


As for blaming Oleg for everything, well yes. That's what being in charge means, it means taking responsibility for the mistakes and failures of your underlings, and taking the credit and praise for their good work. Again, it's a basic logic and reasoning thing.

How does the game run on your system, and are you satisfied with it?

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Seeker

As for blaming Oleg for everything, well yes. That's what being in charge means, it means taking responsibility for the mistakes and failures of your underlings, and taking the credit and praise for their good work. Again, it's a basic logic and reasoning thing.

How does the game run on your system, and are you satisfied with it?

We don't know if he's responsible. There is a whole lot of background going on behind the scenes. Deals with publishers, models that are being used in multiple projects etc.

I do agree, he is probably the one in charge. But then again: some posters here are so obsessed with pointing out even absolutely laughable flaws, like tracers and other minor stuff, that I begin asking myself if they're all the image of god or if they have been treating their mothers and fathers in the same respectless and rude way for the shortcomings they burdened upon them by giving birth to them?

Not everything is perfect in life - but we'll see new additional content and bug fixes. So if you haven't bought the game yet then don't and wait. If you have just go outside and enjoy the summer while it lasts and avoid all the stress. Maybe we'll get a sunny winter with a better sim when some more patches are out heh?

[Rattlehead]

Honestly? I think there are people that would like to see this title crash and burn.
I'm not saying it's this person or that person...just that it's a disturbing trend I've picked up not only here, but at SimHQ as well.
There was a poster there, can't remember his name, who was actually really pleased about the poor state the game was in a few months ago.

I don't understand that mentality at all.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

Honestly? I think there are people that would like to see this title crash and burn.
I'm not saying it's this person or that person...just that it's a disturbing trend I've picked up not only here, but at SimHQ as well.
There was a poster there, can't remember his name, who was actually really pleased about the poor state the game was in a few months ago.

I don't understand that mentality at all.

I'm sure you're right.

Some people get a vicarious pleasure out of destroying things and great satisfaction from predicting failure before something's even been seen only to be able to trumpet their brilliance when it happens they are correct. Its a win-win for them because if they are proved incorrect they simply keep quiet. Of course when they are correct you never hear the end of it.

I think it fills a void in their lives.

Its a psychology thing and best ignored.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Theshark888

+1

You got it. Looks like Oleg screwed up bigtime and possibly lied about a sick son. Not very cool, but maybe this is how things are done in Russia????

One more point; Over $1 million a year for a staff of how many; 6-10, in Eastern Europe???? Seems like good financing to me. It's probably even worse since the game was 2-3 years late

Oleg didn't tell people anything about his son. Someone at the Russian forums was posting there was a rumour that his kid needed heart surgery and he didn't have as much time to devote to the company because of this. Maybe he was someone who knew Oleg personally, or maybe he was just trolling. Either way, it wasn't Oleg's words.

So, before you accuse someone of lying about life and death situations in such a distasteful manner and then inserting a jab about an entire country, maybe you should do your research first.

Please edit your post to something less inflammatory or i'll have to move it (it's been reported) and serve you a warning.

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Oleg didn't tell people anything about his son. Someone at the Russian forums was posting there was a rumour that his kid needed heart surgery and he didn't have as much time to devote to the company because of this. Maybe he was someone who knew Oleg personally, or maybe he was just trolling. Either way, it wasn't Oleg's words.

Source of information about son and his heart is one comment in youtube. Comment was made by user "OlegMaddox" after kinda long and tense comment exchange with other user.

http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=P5gxvwXVZJw&lc=0ktrcKUWCa3owYemdWN7JpbyH1c4urf0i42xThuglWo

Я гоовлюсь к операции на сердце своему сыну. Так что в ближайшее время мне все будет пофигу.

I am preparing for heart surgery of my son. So, I will care about nothing else in near future.

Oleg has posted some videos on this forum, and those videos were from youtube channel, which belonged to youtube user "OlegMaddox". So, it is very likely, that quote above belongs to Oleg Maddox.

[Blackdog_kt]

TheShark: You're not going to get a ban for stating an opinion. You'd simply be getting a warning for something that any other user would. Rules apply equally to everyone and that includes you, me or anybody else here.

Originally Posted by Codex

With all due respect to you nearmiss this is exactly what most of us are whining about. The fact the we, the paying customer, have to try and "fix" the issues as best we can (in my case 15 or so hours) and still getting a less than acceptable experience.

Re: making qualified statements. Aren't we qualified? Because we're the ones having to deal with the current state of this sim. We're the ones who take the time to use this sim and want to get the most out of it. We're the ones that want this sim to work as much as anyone in the Dev team, and we're the one's who are being targeted to buy it. I can appreciate that there are some who will just whine for the sake of it, but I for one have been a strong supporter of this series and I'm not referring to how many posts I've made here or on UBIZoo, but by my wallet, and I'm getting close to being so fed up it's not funny anymore.

As I said previously, I'm praying that Illya delivers on what he said in his last update, and I'm not expecting more than that. If some reason something can't be delivered, then for god sake tell us. I'm sure he'll deliver, but remember there's only so much people are willing to put up with, especially after having given our money.

I understand the pressures on the dev team and I commend IIlya for taking the sim to the point it's at right now, but I'd like to point out that at the end of the day who's the one's really funding all this? 1C / Ubi? No it's the Joe's (like you and me) on the street, so I think it's time for some perspective and a little Friday update wouldn't hurt.

I feel for you mods I really do, but remember there are some legitimate people out there, with a passion for this series who are wanting nothing more than some news or progress reports.

Depends on how one says things. Your post=valid, even though i disagree in some points.

Tvrdi's posts on the other hand have simply been venting "i wasted $50 on this" outbursts ever since the release: it's the same thing over and over and an opinion not shared by everyone, so when trying to present opinion as definitive fact it gets tiresome. It's his opinion and shared by some people, but not everybody's opinion.

Tvrdi: If you can get a refund do it mate. If you can't afford to waste money on PC games wait for the review next time. Just please, stop doing our head in with your personal horror story. You did the exact same thing with RoF back in the day: initial over-enthusiasm followed by crashing and burning disappointment, then two years later RoF is fixed and you praise it. Learn something from your past experience and don't repeat the same thing with CoD

[SG1_Lud]

Originally Posted by klem

I'm sure you're right.

Some people get a vicarious pleasure out of destroying things and great satisfaction from predicting failure before something's even been seen only to be able to trumpet their brilliance when it happens they are correct. Its a win-win for them because if they are proved incorrect they simply keep quiet. Of course when they are correct you never hear the end of it.

I think it fills a void in their lives.

Its a psychology thing and best ignored.

Perfectly described in a few words. And you gave the remedy too