A new article in SimHQ about Cod

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by albx

I think the main problem here is the lack of communication from devs, not only an unfinished product. If they said : "ok guys, we need your help to finish it... please be patient... we admit the product is unfinished, we will work on it and keep you informed on every progress" then probably the things were different... people would not be so aggressive and impatient.. but if you give half of what a customer paid, and then don't answer the phone and hide yourself, I think the customers have all the rights to be upset.

The publishers may also play a part in this, in a normal business the public would only here from the publisher not the Devs, so it may be that they are only allowed to say certain things, I must say it is difficult to understand why they have taken this path of silence otherwise, it sure isn't helping game sales.

[albx]

Originally Posted by Tiger27

The publishers may also play a part in this, in a normal business the public would only here from the publisher not the Devs, so it may be that they are only allowed to say certain things, I must say it is difficult to understand why they have taken this path of silence otherwise, it sure isn't helping game sales.

probably yes you are right, we can't know all the aspects of this question, we are only speculating... who knows probably can't talk...

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

Where's the news? Three items, I guess:

- SIMHQ feedback thread on the actual Tom Cofield article is 2.5 pages long versus this one which is 11 pages. I find it funny that the senior editor at SIMHQ writes an opinion piece which actually stimulates more business on the manufacturers site than his own

- Tree pretty much did say the same thing as Tom (although he did say it multiple times per day). Maybe it's not "what" you say, or even "how" you say it - we've evolved (perhaps devolved) to how many times you do say it - that causes one to get banned these days.

- Luthier isn't talking to Tom. He has no inside "scoop" on the most significant WWII prop sim development since Il2. Notice I didn't say "good" or "bad" - I just said significant. If it wasn't significant, there wouldn't be so many threads about CoD being thrown about and we would not have waited for so many years for it.

Look, on a typical day - there are more SIMHQ readers in the CoD forum than there are in the RoF forum. As we've been in a dry spell lately, the numbers are very close.

Let Luthier post a one-liner over here (notice he doesn't post at SIMHQ) - and whamo - the CoD forum at SIMHQ has 2X, 3X or more readers than the ROF forum. The funniest thing I've ever seen in my time in simulations was the infamous "Banjo Video". That was awesome. The negative posts after that were priceless.

You have to ask yourself at some point "How bad do I really need Luthier to come back in here and tell me what his last post said?"

I don't think I need it, and I don't think thousands of other users do either. It does seem however, that the tiny percentage of the actual user base who can't seem to stop posting when "no new info" is available do.

With all this said (most in jest) - I am looking forward to Dart's review. Not because I don't know this product - but I'm curious to see Dart's take on it, as a fellow simmer and how he will write it up. He's more like the folks I fly online with and I like him. You actually see him online in the sims we fly.

East Coast Earthquake, record rain, Gadhafi and Condi, double dip recession, etc....

And this is what some of you insult each other over? An opinion at SIMHQ?

Next you'll be fighting about the demise of the UBI boards....

I know, I know... it's something to do while passing the time

S!

Gunny

[klem]

As I just posted on the SimHQ forum its old news and constantly repeating it doesn't help the future of CoD or 1C. Its not that critical articles aren't welcome, its just getting a bit boring reading the same old stuff and I'm fed up with the drip drip drip moaning about the same old things. What value is there in that article? All that stuff was written by others months ago.

Hopefully the same critics will give a good and loud review if/when 1C manage to get the game fully back on track.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by albx

I think the main problem here is the lack of communication from devs, not only an unfinished product. If they said : "ok guys, we need your help to finish it... please be patient... we admit the product is unfinished, we will work on it and keep you informed on every progress" then probably the things were different... people would not be so aggressive and impatient.. but if you give half of what a customer paid, and then don't answer the phone and hide yourself, I think the customers have all the rights to be upset.

I think they've stated this multiple times, especially immediately after release. I distinctly remember Luthier saying "you guys have every right to be angry but we're going to be working on it and fixing things" or something similar, then we got a roadmap, a few quickfix patches, then an expanded roadmap for the more long-term patches that will remake entire modules of the sim (like the graphics and sounds patch being currently worked on) and so on.

I understand what you're saying, it just seems to me that they've already done and are still doing much of what you suggest. I'm genuinely confused

[albx]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I think they've stated this multiple times, especially immediately after release. I distinctly remember Luthier saying "you guys have every right to be angry but we're going to be working on it and fixing things" or something similar, then we got a roadmap, a few quickfix patches, then an expanded roadmap for the more long-term patches that will remake entire modules of the sim (like the graphics and sounds patch being currently worked on) and so on.

I understand what you're saying, it just seems to me that they've already done and are still doing much of what you suggest. I'm genuinely confused

yes.. you are right, I forgot this, sorry my mistake.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by klem

As I just posted on the SimHQ forum its old news and constantly repeating it doesn't help the future of CoD or 1C. Its not that critical articles aren't welcome, its just getting a bit boring reading the same old stuff and I'm fed up with the drip drip drip moaning about the same old things. What value is there in that article? All that stuff was written by others months ago.

Hopefully the same critics will give a good and loud review if/when 1C manage to get the game fully back on track.

+1 Klem

[kendo65]

I first read the SimHQ article a few days ago. I've just went through it again sentence by sentence and I'm amazed that anyone here can be critical of what is said in it or view it as an attack piece.

First up - it's NOT a review - the title is: 'IL-2 Sturmovik: Reflections on the Past and Questions for the Future'. There is also the word 'Commentary' in nice red letters in the top left corner.

The opinions throughout seem balanced and strongly grounded in fact.

And check out this quote:

"I do believe that the team will try their best to fix this game. If IL-2 has shown me anything it has shown that the 1C team is a team of flight simulation enthusiasts that really love the genre. Knowing that; I am willing to give the team the chance to bring this title up to the standard that the first title was."

Those opposed to the opinions expressed either criticise the individual's background (not a game developer! So, none of us is allowed to have an opinion on COD unless we've taken our own flight-sim from inception through to production!? What about films or music - can we have opinions on those if we're not Hollywood producers or Grammy-winning recording artists?) or imply that no-one should be expressing a negative opinion.

I'm afraid to say that the 'D' word raise its ugly head here - Denial! Plain and simple.