RoF sale. Worth getting it now!

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by F1Camel

Rise of flight has always been worth getting its an amazing sim

Totally agree.

I bought the Iron Cross Edition just before they made the basic game a free download and don't mind at all.

It didn't stop me spending loads more cash cash on additional aircraft.

There are too many people here that imagine that because the planes are quite slow, the game will be boring. Not so. It's the relative speed and maneuverability of the aircraft that make any dogfight interesting, and RoF has this in abundance.

My favourite dogfighter is the Sopwith Pup, but the team giggles to be had in the HP 0-400 are awesome!

The Bristol F2b is similarly hootworthy. (that means good fun by the way ).

[Ataros]

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Not cheap though Price of only 5 such aircraft would equal the price of CloD. But it is worth it.

[Pluto]

... I got the "Iron Cross Edition", bought it at Amazon. Its much better than the download version if you like a nice manual, a big printed map of the Western Front and other printed stuff. Really nicely made!
I additionally bought the Fokker E-III, the Fokker D.VIIF and the Nieuport-17 (Fokker-EIII and Nieuport-17 you need if you want to start an early career on both sides). All my planes have the fieldmods. Especially the gunsights are very useful.


Now a word concerning the support for the development of flightsims in general. I like good combat-flightsims and that`s why I also had the whole IL2 series from the beginning and DCS-Blackshark but,...

I still feel screwed after buying Cliffs of Dover. If I had known in what state it is on release date, I would not have bought it !
Everybody who tells me I´m a whiner for expressing such feelings, I tell: "go f... yourself !!!"


If it is a dvd-player or a car or a TV or anything else, would you accept products that are in such bad shape when you buy them ?
Sure not, you would rise hell. But when it comes to games or flightsims especially, you have to be nice, thankful and accept that you are sold, unfinished crap ? No way!


So much for that,... I like "cleared frontlines" (if they are not already cleared).

[brando]

What he said^+1

[Ataros]

I'd feel screwed if I purchased RoF in 6 months or 1 year after release. Thus I purchased it 2 years after the release when it is good enough for me. Entirely my decision, my responsibility, no one to blame for bad feelings. We are all learning anyway.

CloD in its WIP stage was good enough for me immediately on release day. Entirely my decision, my responsibility, no one to blame for good feelings. To me sim software is not like a dvd-player or a car or a TV, but rather like a beautiful garden that you grow or a castle that you build watching it becoming better and better year after year. To you it may be different of cause. Then you should make different decisions based on your personal criteria.

If you do not want to support all sim developers don't. Your decision, your responsibility. Make it, take it

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Ataros

I'd feel screwed if I purchased RoF in 6 months or 1 year after release. Thus I purchased it 2 years after the release when it is good enough for me. Entirely my decision, my responsibility, no one to blame for bad feelings. We are all learning anyway.

CloD in its WIP stage was good enough for me immediately on release day. Entirely my decision, my responsibility, no one to blame for good feelings. To me sim software is not like a dvd-player or a car or a TV, but rather like a beautiful garden that you grow or a castle that you build watching it becoming better and better year after year. To you it may be different of cause. Then you should make different decisions based on your personal criteria.

If you do not want to support all sim developers don't. Your decision, your responsibility. Make it, take it

What he said.

CloD was much less than even I expected on release. However, the flight modelling and damage modelling alone gave me enough satisfaction to get some money's worth out of it along with the knowledge that my measly fifty bucks was going to help the only noteable ww2 flight sim maker survive long enough to continue development.

Sure, it's just as valid to look at it as if you were ripped off by a scheming, evil company that had to trick you into spending that huge sum of money, if you prefer. But myself, I've pretty much put it on the shelf until there is something more to do than shoot down bombers (as satisfying as that is in itself once a week) and will go back once most of the major bugs are sorted out and there is some "game" element injected.

Some sage advice would be to simply wait one week after release of any game/sim for reviews before drooling over the "buy" button five seconds after release. This way you can save yourself some $ and heartache.

Pretty easy really.

[Madfish]

Honestly said CloD feels much better already than RoF. I can't understand the hate against CloD, especially when it's coming from people that like the toy plane physics of RoF.

Maybe it's just me but even starting or landing feels much better in CloD and on top it costs nothing compared to RoF where you literally get a fraction of the value for a much higher price. Yes, they put shiny sparkles on everything and the website looks better but:
Perfomance was and actually still is horrible. RoF doesn't perform a hell better than CloD for me.
Few planes, expensive to buy. Trying them out is impossible, refunds also. A concept that I hate and actually one of the reasons why I didn't buy during the last sale after all.

I don't like where they are going and in fact I had hoped the genre wouldn't drift into a sugar daddy millionaire golf club. There are train simulators on steam that cost more than 1000$ if you buy the expansions. This is insane and almost theft. It appears the flight sim genre wants to kill itself if it follows that path.

Imagine a future generation of sims asking about 10-30 dollars for each plane or whatever - I see people flying with, excuse me, shitty hardware, sitting in front of messy desks etc. but sure, they will all win the lottery and be able to buy the content mh? I believe a lot of the friendly athmosphere that's left these days (and it's getting more rare every day) will be completely replaced by those you'd not want to fly with because they aren't nice but only show offs with an attitude problem.

But then again - isn't the sale over already? Maybe this thread is done anyways ;P

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Totally agree.
There are too many people here that imagine that because the planes are quite slow, the game will be boring. Not so. It's the relative speed and maneuverability of the aircraft that make any dogfight interesting, and RoF has this in abundance.

Well they flew in WW1 with the Stall Speed from an WW2 aircraft, but it's fun.
Tons of fun.
This week i had my first Double Kill, a Camel and a S.E.5 in my Albatros D.V, i was covered in sweat after that. Those where the longest 15 minutes since i am flying flight sims.

[Pluto]

... well, I would not have bought RoF either on release date, I was told, that it was then also a "crippled" or "unfinished" sim. But one of the big differences between RoF and CloD for me personally was, that I was not waiting for RoF.

For Cliffs of Dover I was waiting since the first time it was mentioned because I was already flying the IL2-series and I was enthusiastic about it !
I would say, they are both equally good. (once CloD will be fixed).

The planes in RoF do not have "toy-plane" characteristics. Dont forget, you cant compare a plane from WW1, made of cloth-wrapped wood and wire,
that is flying at a speed where the other one would be stalling, with planes from WW2 that fly much faster, are more powerfull and bigger. That you "feel" this difference in the sim shows already the good quality of both flightsims.

Maybe in 1 year CloD will be as good as it could be, hopefully earlier?!"

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Ataros

I'd feel screwed if I purchased RoF in 6 months or 1 year after release. Thus I purchased it 2 years after the release when it is good enough for me. Entirely my decision, my responsibility, no one to blame for bad feelings. We are all learning anyway.

CloD in its WIP stage was good enough for me immediately on release day. Entirely my decision, my responsibility, no one to blame for good feelings. To me sim software is not like a dvd-player or a car or a TV, but rather like a beautiful garden that you grow or a castle that you build watching it becoming better and better year after year. To you it may be different of cause. Then you should make different decisions based on your personal criteria.

If you do not want to support all sim developers don't. Your decision, your responsibility. Make it, take it

Originally Posted by CharveL

What he said.

CloD was much less than even I expected on release. However, the flight modelling and damage modelling alone gave me enough satisfaction to get some money's worth out of it along with the knowledge that my measly fifty bucks was going to help the only noteable ww2 flight sim maker survive long enough to continue development.

Sure, it's just as valid to look at it as if you were ripped off by a scheming, evil company that had to trick you into spending that huge sum of money, if you prefer. But myself, I've pretty much put it on the shelf until there is something more to do than shoot down bombers (as satisfying as that is in itself once a week) and will go back once most of the major bugs are sorted out and there is some "game" element injected.

Some sage advice would be to simply wait one week after release of any game/sim for reviews before drooling over the "buy" button five seconds after release. This way you can save yourself some $ and heartache.

Pretty easy really.

Exactly. I'd still feel like wasting money if i was spending it on RoF, even in its current, much improved state and it's not so much about the "pay per flyable" (or even altimeter/gunsight, now with the field mods) business model. In fact, if i had been spending the cost of a beer every week on RoF, i'd probably have all aircraft and all field mods by now so while the total cost is indeed high, spreading it out over a longer time doesn't make it much of an expense.

I just don't like much of their design decisions and the engine's capabilities are almost maxed out already, so i prefer to spend my money on that extra beer while talking with friends in the bar.

I tried the demo 2-3 times during the first year and i have the free version sitting on my hard drive, i haven't fired it up more than 2-3 times since it became free to play. The only reason it's still there is that i don't need spare hard drive space yet, once i do it will probably be the first thing to go.

Does it mean it's a bad sim that deserves to die? Not really, as long as people enjoy it and it creates a hub/community for the simulator genre it deserves to survive. I don't like it, but some do and i have no problem with it.

And that's why, despite my personal less than stellar opinion about it, i don't buy add-on planes for it and then go to their forums to complain that the game is expensive for what it offers

I got in a lot of heated arguments with other simmers on simHQ very early on in regards to their design choices because it was early days and there was some hope of steering them in a different direction through fan/potential customer pressure, but not anymore, i just let it go completely a few weeks after it was released.

When it became clear they wanted to do things another way and wouldn't provide an alternative that would suit me, there was no reason for me to spoil the fun for anyone that might enjoy it. I just decided to pass it by and let others have their fun with it.
Who knows, if it thrives on those people currently flying it maybe it will become even better and i'll start liking it too. However, if i go about actively discouraging others from flying it, it will either flop and then nothing positive will come out of the whole deal or it will keep on going and people in the RoF forums will be getting a mental image of a grumpy old man who's chasing the kids in the neighborhood whenever they see my username. It's just not worth being bitter, neither for me nor for other people

Sadly this kind of common sense that is afforded to other flight sim studios, much of the flight sim community doesn't extend to the 1c team as well. Maybe if they had to pay for their 100 octane Spitfires and uprated DB601s instead of getting them for free in a patch like we got the 109E-1 and will probably get the E-4 too, they would behave in a better manner