August 6 2011 Development Update

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

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There is no workaround with TrackIR
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Mate, it's as simple as pie. Lean your head a bit to the left, press F9 and then move your head back to your original center position, you'll be looking through the gunsight now.

Is it ideal? No it isn't.
Is it doable? Of course it is, it's recentering your trackIR.

If you can't recenter it, maybe it's the profiler software/drivers that are at fault? I would backup my profiles and do an uninstall/reinstall of my trackIR software in such a case.

Sorry, i still think fixing the Ju88's gyrocompass is more important simply because people can dogfight in the 109 every day by using this workaround, but we can't bomb in the Ju88 unless the gyrocompass that controls the autopilot is fixed: we have two aircraft, one can do what it's supposed to do, the other can't.

[tintifaxl]

+1 for the JU-88 gyrocompass fix!

[LcSummers]

The last few comments/messages are very interesting indeeed.
I like these kind of posts.
Stormcrow, thank you for explaining about gunsights, Finally i understand it now.

Hopefully "grave" bugs will be ironed out with the oncoming (beta) patch.
And hopefully it will be this week.

S!

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Mate, it's as simple as pie. Lean your head a bit to the left, press F9 and then move your head back to your original center position, you'll be looking through the gunsight now.

Is it ideal? No it isn't.
Is it doable? Of course it is, it's recentering your trackIR.

If you can't recenter it, maybe it's the profiler software/drivers that are at fault? I would backup my profiles and do an uninstall/reinstall of my trackIR software in such a case.

Sorry, i still think fixing the Ju88's gyrocompass is more important simply because people can dogfight in the 109 every day by using this workaround, but we can't bomb in the Ju88 unless the gyrocompass that controls the autopilot is fixed: we have two aircraft, one can do what it's supposed to do, the other can't.

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NO, it is NOT a workaround as it DON'T work. With F9 I just pause TrackIR so that I can no longer use TrackIR. I may move it as you described but as soon as I turn on TrackIR again (in order to use it), it takes me back to default centre. I tried it. Others tried it. It never worked. Only valid conclusion: With TrackIR working it is not possible to shift the centre.
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[albx]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

[mantramodusagainon]
NO, it is NOT a workaround as it DON'T work. With F9 I just pause TrackIR so that I can no longer use TrackIR. I may move it as you described but as soon as I turn on TrackIR again (in order to use it), it takes me back to default centre. I tried it. Others tried it. It never worked. Only valid conclusion: With TrackIR working it is not possible to shift the centre.
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why do you pause it? of course it will return back at his center position, what you need to do is to assign the new center with the hotkey.

I don't know which TrackIR you have but with my TrackIR I don't have a hotkey that allows to define a different position as centre.

I have following Hotkeys:
F7: Precision moving (basically reduces the gradients of the curves)
F8: Profile (whatever this is. But having tried it it does not work as blackdog described)
F9: Pause button
F12: Re-centre (back to initial centre)

I don't have further possibilities to edit hotkeys with the TrackIR software (I use TrackIR 5 software with TrackIR4 hardware)

These are default settings.

Maybe what blackdog describes works with TrackIR5. This I cannot judge. I have TrackIR4 like so many others and it does not work.

EDIT: No, Manu, also pressing F12 in the way as blackdog described it, does not work. It just puts me back to the default centre position.

And even if it did work: everytime I would look around I would have to repeat this manoeuvre as every looking around slightly shifts the centre to some arbitrary position. So definitely not a good solution.

I however support blackdog that the Ju88 gun sight should be fixed. They may fix the other gunsights at the same time. It should not need much programming.

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

I don't know which TrackIR you have but with my TrackIR I don't have a hotkey that allows to define a different position as centre.

I have following Hotkeys:
F7: Precision moving (basically reduces the gradients of the curves)
F8: Profile (whatever this is. But having tried it it does not work as blackdog described)
F9: Pause button
F12: Re-centre (back to initial centre)

I don't have further possibilities to edit hotkeys with the TrackIR software (I use TrackIR 5 software with TrackIR4 hardware)

These are default settings.

Maybe what blackdog describes works with TrackIR5. This I cannot judge. I have TrackIR4 like so many others and it does not work.

EDIT: No, Manu, also pressing F12 in the way as blackdog described it, does not work. It just puts me back to the default centre position.

And even if it did work: everytime I would look around I would have to repeat this manoeuvre as every looking around slightly shifts the centre to some arbitrary position. So definitely not a good solution.

I however support blackdog that the Ju88 gun sight should be fixed. They may fix the other gunsights at the same time. It should not need much programming.

I have TIR4 on TIR5 software too.
My steps are:

1) Start a quick mission
2) I press F12 to center my standard position (6dof activated)
3) I move a little my head on the left
4) I press F12 again

I don't know why you can't.

Anyway I agree that it's not a optimal solution!

[NervousEnergy]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

I have TIR4 on TIR5 software too.
My steps are:

1) Start a quick mission
2) I press F12 to center my standard position (6dof activated)
3) I move a little my head on the left
4) I press F12 again

I don't know why you can't.

Anyway I agree that it's not a optimal solution!

This is the way I've always flown German aircraft (or any plane with an offset gunsight) since 6DoF came out. Just center with your head slightly to the left, and you wind up in the old alt-F1 gunsight position with your head positioned normally.

Re-centering the software should simply put the center at wherever your head is oriented at the time, not 'put it back to the default center', as there is no default. He also indicates that simply looking around moves the center about, which shouldn't happen unless your track clip is loose on your head. Perhaps a hardware problem?

[MegOhm]

Originally Posted by NervousEnergy

This is the way I've always flown German aircraft (or any plane with an offset gunsight) since 6DoF came out. Just center with your head slightly to the left, and you wind up in the old alt-F1 gunsight position with your head positioned normally.

Re-centering the software should simply put the center at wherever your head is oriented at the time, not 'put it back to the default center', as there is no default. He also indicates that simply looking around moves the center about, which shouldn't happen unless your track clip is loose on your head. Perhaps a hardware problem?

Yup this works fine... Highly recommend the proclip over the track clip tho...worth it and you can make it wireless

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

I don't know which TrackIR you have but with my TrackIR I don't have a hotkey that allows to define a different position as centre.

I have following Hotkeys:
F7: Precision moving (basically reduces the gradients of the curves)
F8: Profile (whatever this is. But having tried it it does not work as blackdog described)
F9: Pause button
F12: Re-centre (back to initial centre)

I don't have further possibilities to edit hotkeys with the TrackIR software (I use TrackIR 5 software with TrackIR4 hardware)

These are default settings.

Maybe what blackdog describes works with TrackIR5. This I cannot judge. I have TrackIR4 like so many others and it does not work.

EDIT: No, Manu, also pressing F12 in the way as blackdog described it, does not work. It just puts me back to the default centre position.

And even if it did work: everytime I would look around I would have to repeat this manoeuvre as every looking around slightly shifts the centre to some arbitrary position. So definitely not a good solution.

I however support blackdog that the Ju88 gun sight should be fixed. They may fix the other gunsights at the same time. It should not need much programming.

Ah, i see where the confusion is coming from, it's the bolded part. Well, F12 doesn't return to the original center, it makes your current head position the new center position and centers the in-game view.

In other words, it enables you to move the default center position towards one direction, so that your default in-game view will move to the opposite one.

It worked with my trackIR4 on both trackIR4 and trackIR5 software and it works with freetrack that i'm currently using.

Have a look at this image:




I've used this for ages in pretty much every sim that i had which supported 6DoF. You can center left to shift your default view right and keep the gunsight in view, you can center low to shift the default view up and see over the nose during a landing approach, you can center high to shift the default view down and keep the instruments in sight, you can center to one side to shift the default view to the other if you want to look out the side of the nose during taxi and take-off.

It only takes 5 seconds to do it before take off.

It works.