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[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

Well, German cars have soul but nothing like Italian cars I agree. I actually have a lot of time for Alfas...when I was a teen my mother owned three in succession and a family friend of ours is a lifelong Alfa fan, so I do understand what they're all about. I was just tweaking your nose a little.

there's something about Alfa that you can't really explain unless you owned one: there's a sense of happening, a spirit that is unrivalled.

I would love a '65 Mustang! To me, there is very little to beat the sound of an American V8, either small block or big block. I just love 'em. I once tried restoring a '68 Camaro, but I lost the energy, time, money and patience to see it through.

One day, money permitting, I'd love to try and restore another muscle car. But we'll see.

yeah, it's a great car, but then again, it's a motoring statement more than a performer, and man it drinks like a fish..

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

there's something about Alfa that you can't really explain unless you owned one: there's a sense of happening, a spirit that is unrivalled.

IMHO I think any diesel powered private cars is an absurdity. And really I know what I mean. But Alpha are great cars and nervous enough for European roads although I found by experience that the quoted 265hp does not seems to help the car to lift off that much.

Here is quick comparison btw an old Eu model and the new Breda (3.2/260) http://www.zeperfs.com/duel2555-339.htm

Hve a look at the Power per weight value and the accel value even if the table quote a coupe vs a 5 door saloon . You can have such a Saab for 3k€ on the used market. I have ever wondered what has happened to Saab that their model were so poorly low rated by the press Automag (that lead us to the TopGear discussion)

Oh the fittings and interior are comparable that's why I choose this contender for the test.

But for sure the Alpha are more sexy

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

IMHO I think any diesel powered private cars is an absurdity. And really I know what I mean. But Alpha are great cars and nervous enough for European roads although I found by experience that the quoted 265hp does not seems to help the car to lift off that much.

Here is quick comparison btw an old Eu model and the new Breda (3.2/260) http://www.zeperfs.com/duel2555-339.htm

Hve a look at the Power per weight value and the accel value even if the table quote a coupe vs a 5 door saloon . You can have such a Saab for 3k€ on the used market. I have ever wondered what has happened to Saab that their model were so poorly low rated by the press Automag (that lead us to the TopGear discussion)

Oh the fittings and interior are comparable that's why I choose this contender for the test.

But for sure the Alpha are more sexy

that chart is somehow wrong, the stock 3.2 V6 does 0-100km in 6.5 secs, not 8secs.

Diesel can be an absurdity here in the UK where it's more expensive than petrol, but diesel engines are way more reliable than petrol ones and require less maintenance. A Euro5 diesel causes less pollution than petrol, and the consumptions are way better. I average 36mpg on my big engine, which is unrivalled.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

that chart is somehow wrong, the stock 3.2 V6 does 0-100km in 6.5 secs, not 8secs.

Diesel can be an absurdity here in the UK where it's more expensive than petrol, but diesel engines are way more reliable than petrol ones and require less maintenance. A Euro5 diesel causes less pollution than petrol, and the consumptions are way better. I average 36mpg on my big engine, which is unrivalled.

The prob is not in carbon consumption or with the price of a gallon but with particles and Nox emission witch directly arms ppl and degrade the ozone layer. This is a well known fact since 1996/2001 era. There is nothing you can do against it unless keeping optimizing the regime what is not compatible with a private car that constantly revs up or down.

Regarding the spec stated, this website choose to quote only the low range of perf stated in the press. The Saab is also faster (at least the coupe as I knew it) with a perf in the 6sec range for 0 to 60mph.