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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 08-12-2011, 11:01 AM
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I'll have to watch these when I get in tonight, but thanks for posting the vids.

Regarding the 109, I personally haven't heard or read of anyone regarding them as second rate, but I was watching the Dogfights program on History one night when an American pilot, I forget who now, said they referred to the 109 as "easy meat." He had a bit of a cocky attitude which I didn't like.

I felt that the remark was quite disrespectful not only to the 109, but also to the German pilots, who were by that time mostly young, poorly trained and hopelessly outnumbered.
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:24 AM
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I'll have to watch these when I get in tonight, but thanks for posting the vids.

Regarding the 109, I personally haven't heard or read of anyone regarding them as second rate, but I was watching the Dogfights program on History one night when an American pilot, I forget who now, said they referred to the 109 as "easy meat." He had a bit of a cocky attitude which I didn't like.

I felt that the remark was quite disrespectful not only to the 109, but also to the German pilots, who were by that time mostly young, poorly trained and hopelessly outnumbered.
he was probably one of the late stage pilots, by 1944 most of the experten were gone. But yes, in the end even pilots are human beings, and respect was a bit hit and miss on all sides..
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:05 PM
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Approximately 2/3 of the Experten with 50 or more claims survived the war.
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:25 PM
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I'm to lazy to count it up


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Old 08-12-2011, 12:40 PM
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:54 AM
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I don't really see how the pilot was wrong. It was well known that you could kick the rudder on the 109 and get a hell of a lot of yaw out of it, despite the smallish rudder. Although I do agree that he's wrong with the "take on 5-6 mustangs". I can't think of a fighter mismatch in WWII that would go that way without taking something from 1939 and putting it up against something from 45.
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Old 08-13-2011, 10:35 AM
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I say a G10, G14/AS, G6/AS can take on any P-51 with a pilot that knows how to fly it well.



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Old 08-14-2011, 07:23 PM
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I don't really see how the pilot was wrong. It was well known that you could kick the rudder on the 109 and get a hell of a lot of yaw out of it, despite the smallish rudder. Although I do agree that he's wrong with the "take on 5-6 mustangs". I can't think of a fighter mismatch in WWII that would go that way without taking something from 1939 and putting it up against something from 45.
I don't think he's wrong (apart for a couple of minor things),he just doesn't talk about a plane that we can relate to. Guys,don't forget that most pilots are not engineers as well,so they dont get a complete understanding of why a plane flies in a certain way.
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