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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 08-11-2011, 04:18 PM
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A-10 Warthog is not a dumb fps game and it is more complex than CloD. It looks great and runs great. No more excuses for broken CloD please. BTW, when A-10 was in beta it ran like CloD but was a better sim with less broken.
DCS-A10C runs perfectly on my oldish system (see my sig). When I purchased it as a pre-retail beta it was far, far worse than CoD's first pre-patch offering. Beta A-10 would crash repeatedly on me when I was in setup options trying to assign keys to my HOTAS. When I flew A-10 it would be fine for about 5 minutes, then abruptly it would ignore my control inputs and ultimately careen out-of-control into the ground. I duly reported these glitches at the SimHQ forum and subsequent patches/updates cured it all by the time it went full retail.

Certainly A-10 is a generation (or two or three) ahead of CoD in a number of areas - instrumentation, weapons systems, Comms, etc. etc. etc. (long list). What I'd be curious to know is the relative complexities of the damage modelling. At first blush the A-10 aircraft has far more electronic systems to be disrupted, obviously. But is the incursion of individual bullets & shrapnel bits modelled in A-10 as intricately as CoD or is it done more as a series of close-grouped damage bubbles within the A-10 aircraft fuselage & wing structures?
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Old 08-11-2011, 05:18 PM
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DCS-A10C runs perfectly on my oldish system (see my sig). When I purchased it as a pre-retail beta it was far, far worse than CoD's first pre-patch offering. Beta A-10 would crash repeatedly on me when I was in setup options trying to assign keys to my HOTAS. When I flew A-10 it would be fine for about 5 minutes, then abruptly it would ignore my control inputs and ultimately careen out-of-control into the ground. I duly reported these glitches at the SimHQ forum and subsequent patches/updates cured it all by the time it went full retail.

Certainly A-10 is a generation (or two or three) ahead of CoD in a number of areas - instrumentation, weapons systems, Comms, etc. etc. etc. (long list). What I'd be curious to know is the relative complexities of the damage modelling. At first blush the A-10 aircraft has far more electronic systems to be disrupted, obviously. But is the incursion of individual bullets & shrapnel bits modelled in A-10 as intricately as CoD or is it done more as a series of close-grouped damage bubbles within the A-10 aircraft fuselage & wing structures?
I never had any of your problems with A-10 and it ran WAY better than CloD even in early beta. They warned purchasers of its early state and optimized it in a later beta and it ran even better. It did not crash, it did have full AA and it did have better terrain, better manual, better sound, better comms......etc. etc. It had minor bugs in beta compared to the multiple major problems CloD has to date. CloD was released way too early and was not released as an unfinished product.

PC Pilot magazine uses words like "jaw-dropping" "the new bar for combat flight simulation" "blew our socks off" to describe A-10 in their Platinum Award assessment of A-10. Didn't hear that type of thing in their very kind assessment of CloD. As for damage modelling in A-10. Superb. Every bullet hole etc.
Its a joke to excuse all that is wrong with CloD as a result of its amazingness, when clearly a superior sim like A-10 did not do so. This might be a great WW2 sim that is a lot of fun if they finish it, and I sincerely hope they do. It is not and will not be the greatest sim ever, but who cares. Right now its a botch up and I look forward to the finished product in all its glory.

Go here, lowest score is 9.0 http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dc...g/user-reviews

And to stay on topic, these drivers don't help LOL.


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Old 08-11-2011, 06:30 PM
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in some points i agree
the only problem in early betas that i had with the DCS-A10C was the Nevada terrain..
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Old 08-11-2011, 06:41 PM
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So Connie, do you LIKE A-10? LOL

It's really too bad that Ubisoft/1C: Maddox Games didn't follow Eagle Dynamic's formula of doing an early paid-for beta release. With all the troubles my system was having at onset, I wasn't angered - just concerned. After all, EA was very upfront about it being a beta release AND they would be continuing work on optimizing. Communication is key, and EA held up their end and delivered. As I mentioned. A-10 eventually did (and still does) run very well on my system. You don't have to sell me on it!

However, as with many in this CoD forum, WW2 sims are my thing; especially Battle of Britain. Most of the superlative sophisticated features of A-10 are lost on me, so at a gut having-fun level CoD will, hopefully, become THE best sim for me.
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:05 PM
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this drivers is no go for me.more stutters and some fps drop
i reinstall the 275.33
everything good now
dunno why though
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Just a friendly heads-up. Comparisons, argumentation and tangential discussions are ok as long as:

1) The original thread is not dragged off-topic
2) It's not done to gain leverage in "point-scoring" matches
3) People remain open to different opinions and don't try to pass theirs as absolute fact over everyone else's

To cut a long story short, if this is pulled off-topic and turns into a slagging match i'll be moving the relevant posts to the arguments and speculation megathread, along with any posts that quote or answer them directly in order to completely prune the inflammatory material off the thread.

Argue your point, but remain respectful of the OP's intention in creating the thread (ie, he wanted to discuss the new driver's use in relation to CoD), take some time to use proper language and try not to bait, provoke, or offend other posters.

If one is offended by different opinions and interpretations of known facts to the point that one feels compelled to answer back in a provocative or otherwise non-constructive manner, then open internet forums are not a good place for one to frequent.

My job is to ensure everyone can have their say, as long as their say is not out of tune with the scope and purposes of this community and forum and not attacking the opinions of others or limiting their ability to express their opinion, in which case i'm forced to intervene. And i will.
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Old 08-11-2011, 06:32 PM
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DCS-A10C runs perfectly on my oldish system (see my sig). When I purchased it as a pre-retail beta it was far, far worse than CoD's first pre-patch offering. Beta A-10 would crash repeatedly on me when I was in setup options trying to assign keys to my HOTAS. When I flew A-10 it would be fine for about 5 minutes, then abruptly it would ignore my control inputs and ultimately careen out-of-control into the ground. I duly reported these glitches at the SimHQ forum and subsequent patches/updates cured it all by the time it went full retail.
Agreed. I bought it pre-alpha/beta and couldn't even get all my controls set before a constant crashing to desktop. Once it was finally playable I spent a good 4-5 hours learning how to take off and another 4-5 on the weapons. After that, the game became boring so I stopped playing it. Take off, shoot at tank/truck, go back home. They promised dedicated server support and still have yet to deliver on it as well.

I keep seeing a trend from new people joining these forums to troll talking about other games. I'm assuming it's because the games they like have noone playing them?

And back on topic: The drivers do work great if you do what I said.
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