Spitfires vs. Bf-109s at the White Cliffs of Dover - Youtube vid by me.

Lololopoulos · #1 07-26-2011, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Lolo,

Only british gunsights have the adjustment.

And yes, in the current state of the game, if you wanted your aim to be at 200yds, then you'd set the range on the gunsight to 400yds.

hey cheesehawk,
how do I know how far away my target is then by looking into 109's gunsight? Is it set automatically to my convergence value as I input to the loadout menu?

thanks!

Blackdog_kt · #2 07-26-2011, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lololopoulos

hey cheesehawk,
how do I know how far away my target is then by looking into 109's gunsight? Is it set automatically to my convergence value as I input to the loadout menu?

thanks!

German gunsights only have one setting. I'm not entirely sure if it's calibrated based on the Spit or Hurricane (i guess they have fairly similar wingspans anyway), but it's a case of "when Spitfire/Hurricane wings touch the bars target is X meters away", where X would be a suitable value ( not more 200-300 meters i guess).

From that point on it's approximations by the pilot: double the wingspan for a twin engined bomber so that when wings touch the bars it should be about 2X meters away, and so on.

The easiest way to test it would be to make a short, airstart mission in the FMB with your 109, a Spit and a Hurricane. Set them to have low fuel and no ammo so they won't fight back and run for home, enable icons and fly behind them until you see their wings touch the bars, then check the icons for the range. Or wait for one of the guys with technical documentation or knowledge on the Revi sight to pop in and answer it for us

EDIT: Actually i couldn't resist so i flipped through Flea's datasheets and checklists and the answer is there on page 10. The revi is a 100 mil gunsight, which means that a target with a wingspan of 10 meters fills the gunsight (wingtips touch the bars) when it's 100 meters away. The Spitfire has a wingspan of 11.23 meters and the Hurricane sizes up at 12.19, so neither of them exactly fits the gunsight. I guess they went for the approximate rule that "fighters have about 10 meters of wingspan".

According to Flea's excellent document, when a Spit fills the sight it's 112 meters away, for the Hurricane it's 122 meters (as you can see, these numbers are approximately ten times the quoted wing span). In other words, since absolute precision is impossible anyway, just keep in mind that when they fill the sight they are tad further than 100 meters and you'll be ok. So if you have a convergence of 200 meters you should shoot when their wingspan is about half the distance from bar to bar.

Lololopoulos · #3 07-26-2011, 03:16 AM

thank you blackdog this is great find!!!!! gunsight has always been a issue that confused me.

hiro · #4 07-26-2011, 07:06 AM

sweet! do a 109 E1 vid. I love 109's.

thanks for the vid regardless

Freycinet · #5 07-26-2011, 07:24 AM

Hiro, look through my vids, you'll find what you are looking for...

(see my signature)

Freycinet · #6 07-26-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

German gunsights only have one setting. I'm not entirely sure if it's calibrated based on the Spit or Hurricane (i guess they have fairly similar wingspans anyway), but it's a case of "when Spitfire/Hurricane wings touch the bars target is X meters away", where X would be a suitable value ( not more 200-300 meters i guess).

From that point on it's approximations by the pilot: double the wingspan for a twin engined bomber so that when wings touch the bars it should be about 2X meters away, and so on.

Eklund comes to our rescue with a nice little visual guide as to how we should understand the German sight:

I didn't look too much into the German sight, though, so I cannot confirm this myself. And isn't there anything at all we can do to adjust the bars in that sight?

robtek · #7 07-26-2011, 07:59 AM

There is no need to adjust,

A german soldier with a technical manual and a order can do anything!!!

Why make it complicated?

JG53Frankyboy · #8 07-26-2011, 09:20 AM

IIRC the ring ist set that a plane with 10m wingspan is 100m away... ?
If this fit the game, i also dont know..........

and the german one was not adjustable like the english one.

VO101_Tom · #9 07-26-2011, 10:20 AM

Hi guys. The count is simple. (Size of object) X (How many times does he fit into the circle) x 10= it grants the distance of the object. Later, they put 1° marks onto the Revi, because of the facilitate of the counting.

You need this book. Here in detail, and more things are written: Horrido - Des Jagers Schiessfibel (GER). This is the original, german book.

I did not find English translation on the internet (with the Hungarian i guess you can't do nothing

). Many Years ago, I downloaded an English translate from the www.mission4today.com, which TX-Gunslinger wrote in 2004. I did not find the link of this, but I put the file on our side, from here you may download it: Horrido - Des Jagers Schiessfibel (ENG) - TX-Gunslinger

Of cousre, all of this work in the game.

Lololopoulos · #10 07-26-2011, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Freycinet

Eklund comes to our rescue with a nice little visual guide as to how we should understand the German sight:

I didn't look too much into the German sight, though, so I cannot confirm this myself. And isn't there anything at all we can do to adjust the bars in that sight?

amazing! that's what i've been looking for!