The silence is deafening...

[SYN_Jed]

Im trying really hard to keep our 30+ Squad of guys onboard with this simulation. As it stands maybe 4 of em play once a week on our server. A couple of the guys are constantly trying to help the devs by reporting bugs and serverside issues.

If the attitude of the Devs and 1C generally becomes as Ataros says then I cant see us remaining at all interested in the future. I really hope Ataros is just expressing his interpretation of events as he sees them rather than speaking on behalf of the Devs and 1C.

The problem of leaving a void is that someone is going to fill it...usually with inacurate info. Best to keep everyone informed yourselves!

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Ataros

Do not be surprised if all updates will go through official channels only from now on (which are UBI and Steam). Luthier's goodwill including Meet the Team update was perceived with too much negativity on these forums. The same happened at sukhoi.ru forums back in 2002 when Oleg stopped posting there after discussion became negative instead of constructive.

1C is the publisher for Russia only. UBI is payed by you for providing support and communication in the rest of the world.

Rubbish. If 1c don't want to promote their own games outside Russia why do they have an English forum up? CoD is their baby, not Ubi's, and they need to keep it alive.

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by Ataros

Do not be surprised if all updates will go through official channels only from now on (which are UBI and Steam). Luthier's goodwill including Meet the Team update was perceived with too much negativity on these forums. The same happened at sukhoi.ru forums back in 2002 when Oleg stopped posting there after discussion became negative instead of constructive.

1C is the publisher for Russia only. UBI is payed by you for providing support and communication in the rest of the world.

Did Ilya tell you that or is it your personal opinion only?
Financial suicide if true.

[Orpheus]

Originally Posted by Friendly_flyer

The nature of "cildishness" is debateable. One could argue that not communicationg with the customer base is childish, on th eother hand one could argue that demaning communication from the producers is equally so. Moderation and middel of the road seem to be the golden rule for both sides.

True I suppose - however the great majority of users on this forum are fairly sensible, and while there are a few that rage, even that isn't anywhere near the scale of vitriol some game developers receive. The point being that if they can't handle this, then they might as well give up now - it will only get worse come the US release.

'Childish' to me is refusing to talk because a few people happen to disagree, and given the state of the game from release until current day they know full well that there are a huge amount of problems - and they must have expected a negative reaction. As I said, I don't think it's been anywhere near as bad as some other forums I frequent.

I suspect that they keep their presence on these forums to a minimum to avoid unnecessary conflict and to continue working hard, but I doubt that they'll cut off communication entirely, simply because if they do their game will fail and they'll be out of a job! I'm pretty sure they have thicker skins than we think, and keeping quiet leads to less accusations of broken promises etc. But there is always a point where not communicating does more damage than communicating - see the recent Eve Online 'NEX/Monocle' debacle for a prime example.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Orpheus

If you can't take the heat, you shouldn't be in the kitchen - they must have known what kind of response the game would receive in the early stages and prepared themselves for that. To drop communication now because a few idiots have been a bit nasty to them would be childish, irresponsible and insulting to the people who've paid for the game.

Yes, cutting off the communication would be a mistake. It`s one of the reasons why I even put up with this game. Now in the first month Luthier did speak many times about the game`s condition and he has answering those whiners as much as legit complaints. Now how do you expect him answer to the same complaint over and over? We have information on the biggest bugs/holes so we wait for updates. I`m all for a locked update thread where Luthier posts the updates and reports, just the way it was with Oleg`s dev update thread.

And, as another poster mentioned, not communicating because your players are angry just makes them even more angry, so it becomes a vicious circle that will only end when you grow some balls and take the criticism - which, had you communicated in the first place, probably wouldn't be as bad.

Wrong! Those people will be mad whatever the case. Always concentrating on the negative, always demanding the impossible. You mad over 1C ignoring those dombells?

Another point - yes, 1C are the Russian publisher, and we know Ubi are responsible for international publishing and distribution.

However - we come here because it is the best way of getting information straight from the people making the game, and because Sukhoi.ru is inaccessible for many of us due to the language barrier. If Luthier & the team posted on the Ubi forums, I expect most of us would be there instead. The only beta patch links posted on the Ubi forums that I can see have been users linking to this forum, not dev posts - so for now the Ubi forums are 'useful' only for user chat about the game, not finding out actual info on progress or other technical issues. If the dev team stop posting here too, the game will die off completely - as very few will be willing to wait in the dark for the myriad technical bugs and problems to be fixed, not knowing if a fix will even happen.

The game will die off regardless of the condition of this forum if it`s not fixed on time. It`s about 4 months since Europe release and it`s going forward slowly. Poeple will keep checking for patches. 1C needs to provide an entrance for 3rd party improvements like Jiri Footjasek or people will just forget. We`ve had little to no communication from devs on ubi forums since 2005 when the last Oleg`s Ready Room input has been made. But IL2 lived on.

When/if the US release hits this weekend, we're going to see the moaning increase tenfold as they go through all the same crap we've had since release. If the dev team couldn't cope with the 'negativity' before now, come Monday it'll be ten times worse.

I`m on the job. We gonna manage!

From a personal standpoint, if the devs do act like children and refuse to provide at least some information on their progress, I for one will never play CloD again - because to release a game in this state, followed by several patches that in most cases break as much as they fix (if user reports are accurate), and then to just clam up because people are angry is the very height of stupidity and arrogance. I'll have no dealings with a company that refuses to communicate with its customers, or one that slinks off and hides when the going gets tough - especially when the problems are almost entirely of their own making.

Children? How do you think "I for one will never play CloD again" sounds?! The communication will not stop, but is going to be restricted to one sided reports from dev team on what has been fixed and what not. Because the moaners proved once again that conversations or discussions are dead from the very beginning. Aswell with IL2, with CloD there were discussions with dev team but since they always ended up the same, it`s just a waste of dev`s time.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by SYN_Jed

I really hope Ataros is just expressing his interpretation of events as he sees them rather than speaking on behalf of the Devs and 1C.

Of cause I am expressing my own opinion. In case i had any sources I would indicated so in my post.

As you can see from reaction to my post people still make negative assumptions, put negative labels on the devs, trying to insult and threaten them.

8-9 years ago we had the same situation regarding IL-2 at sukhoi.ru and Oleg just stopped visiting it not because he could not handle the negativity but because he did not had to listen to all that subjective give-me-give-me BS resulting from negative psychology of some people back then.

Please be constructive and polite, not negative and rude. This shows what kind of personality you have in the first place.

[roadczar]

This thread is missing some fish.

[JG52Uther]

This is official company forum though Ataros.I think Ilya is aware of the trouble CoD is in,and would not cease communication because of angry customers.
Its pointless talking about Oleg and sukhoi.ru 8 years ago, this is 8 years later, a new game, and Oleg is long gone...

Originally Posted by Ataros

Do not be surprised if all updates will go through official channels only from now on (which are UBI and Steam). Luthier's goodwill including Meet the Team update was perceived with too much negativity on these forums. The same happened at sukhoi.ru forums back in 2002 when Oleg stopped posting there after discussion became negative instead of constructive.

1C is the publisher for Russia only. UBI is payed by you for providing support and communication in the rest of the world.

Ah right i see, so because of problems that make some paying customers unhappy, we all get ignored and have to suffer even more making the 1C forums a complete waste of 1C's cash pot? LOL

In another thread you were saying the reason why they didnt communicate was because UBI are paid to do it and 1C dont have the money to do so, well this seems that by ignoring customers they will only be set to loose more fans and in turn then more money.

I hope your logic is wrong. For CoD's Sake.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

Ah right i see, so because of problems that make some paying customers unhappy, we all get ignored and have to suffer even more making the 1C forums a complete waste of 1C's cash pot? LOL

Originally Posted by Ataros

As you can see from reaction to my post people still make negative assumptions, put negative labels on the devs, trying to insult and threaten them.

Good example. LOL