What a tracer should look like (before spazzing just look).

[Sammi79]

there are some good points here. Human eyes can indeed deal with a good amount of shaking, the tracers (i assume) would not squiggle like we see on gun camera film. However the current model is so perfect it looks like lasers from an FPS or something. The vibrations, although they wouldn't affect your vision of the tracer, would affect its trajectory. There should be some randomisation there. Also, they should lose speed and be affected by gravity which would be clearly visible. Anyone remember the trace effect from CFS3? that was pretty much spot on I think. shorter tracers - faint smoke trail - more trajectory randomisation and gravity effect.

[pupaxx]

I think they should be more similar to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtU-Q_ClkwY

anyway, too much faultless lasergun-looking 4 me. i don't know how they appears in RL, all I know is what I see in vids and films and the well discussed technical implication of filming (what u see is what a camera 'electronically' sees)
Cheers

[Mysticpuma]

Well looking at those tracer in the video above it would be good to know what shutter speed was being used as 1/2 second shutter speed would give a tracer about 40-yards long per round, but a shutter speed of 10000th of a second would give a tracer length of about 10-inches. Sadly unless you see tracer first-hand there is no-way that a video can represent the length

HOWEVER... it can represent the thickness and looking at the above they all seem pretty thin and like the new version and not that great big thick slab of light-sabre that currently appears!

So I would certainly load this mod and ask for it to be made official.

MP

[DK-nme]

Hmmm, so funny. If one mentions the propeller disk everyone jumps you and tells, that in real life the propellers are invisible and what we see on telly is caused by framerates - okay, I get it.
But when talking 'bout tracers, suddenly movie effects are ok???
Tracers doesnt look like they do in game - it is again framerate that causes long laser effects...
Again, and now I will seek cover, the tracers in Il-2 wings of prey, they seems to have got it almost right - so why can't it be in this game???

[pupaxx]

I'm well aware about the lenght of tracer is determinated by frame rate and shutter-speed and other factors. I accept all is said about in the past, is technically correct and convincing. i'm aware the video I posted has a relative valor for this discussion cause the gatling is not comparable with spitfire armament etc. If u assure me the ingame (modded or non modded) tracer effect are 100% lifelike, however I'dont like them, it give me the impression of a banal visual phenomenon even if full real. I'd like some cinema fx even if not full realistic. I find nothing wrong in 'warming up' the game ambience with some (well calibrated) effects.
Just my thought
Cheers

[choctaw111]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

Well looking at those tracer in the video above it would be good to know what shutter speed was being used as 1/2 second shutter speed would give a tracer about 40-yards long per round, but a shutter speed of 10000th of a second would give a tracer length of about 10-inches. Sadly unless you see tracer first-hand there is no-way that a video can represent the length

HOWEVER... it can represent the thickness and looking at the above they all seem pretty thin and like the new version and not that great big thick slab of light-sabre that currently appears!

So I would certainly load this mod and ask for it to be made official.

MP

Good point MP.
I did see somewhere on these forums (from Oleg) about the shutter speed of the average human eye. I cannot remember exactly the duration. 1/60th of a second or something like that. If this is true, how many of us have rigs that can display ClOD at this speed? If our rigs cannot keep up with the shutter speed of the human eye then how can we expect to get "realistic" tracer effects?
On to the thickness. The thickness of a tracer also depends on the amount of ambient light. Of course at night, tracers are much more defined and have a greater apparent thickness.
On the other hand I have been in places that were so bright, from the sun reflecting off the sand, that tracers (5.56x45) were not even noticeable even with dark sunglasses. The 7.62x39 and 50 cals were more distinguishable. The difference is that the "tracer hole" diameter varies from one type of bullet to another. The bigger the hole that the tracer burns through means a brighter, thicker and more visible tracer.
I am probably not the foremost "expert" on this forum, but the literal millions of tracers I have seen throughout my career of all types and calibers should certainly have my opinion respected.
I still have not had the pleasure of flying around with ClOD so until then I cannot say, aside from Youtube vids, how I feel about the tracers in ClOD.

[klem]

Originally Posted by pupaxx

I think they should be more similar to this:

anyway, too much faultless lasergun-looking 4 me. i don't know how they appears in RL, all I know is what I see in vids and films and the well discussed technical implication of filming (what u see is what a camera 'electronically' sees)
Cheers

Thats the last time I go to a boot sale!

[Targ]

I voted "dont care"

[skouras]

Originally Posted by Targ

I voted "dont care"

agreed

[Baron]

Completely and utterly indifferent.


Would be cool with more effects from fire hitting targets/ground targets etc. though.