crash at duxford today [2011]

SEE · #1 07-12-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

first of all thanks for the very good video, and yes, it's obvious the Skyrider pilot lost visual contact and went too brisk on his manoeuvre, but it's again a fault of who organised the Balbo itself, you don't break off from a Vic formation like that with planes that operate at different speeds. We'll see what the CAA will tell.

This was a two day event, the Balbo was faultless on the Saturday but they were flying in groups of four not three as on the Sunday, the separation as each pilot left the formation seemed much bigger (as the order went 1, 3, 2 then 4 ?). The commentary broadcast during the entire Balbo was very detailed regards the final break away /timing, etc. Such a pity but it does look like that Skyraider got it wrong.

Sternjaeger II · #2 07-12-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SEE

This was a two day event, the Balbo was faultless on the Saturday but they were flying in groups of four not three as on the Sunday, the separation as each pilot left the formation seemed much bigger (as the order went 1, 3, 2 then 4 ?). The commentary broadcast during the entire Balbo was very detailed regards the final break away /timing, etc. Such a pity but it does look like that Skyraider got it wrong.

yeah, I know their routine very well, I was there on Saturday and yet again, like every year, I thought that the way they do things put them in an unnecessary risk.

The Skyrider pilot got it wrong because it looks like he lost visual contact with the Mustang, or didn't respect the speeds agreed on the briefing, or a combination of all these.

Buzpilot · #3 07-12-2011, 01:32 PM

http://player.vimeo.com/video/26291756?

Looking at the slow speed part, the P-51 looks undammaged, Skyraider lost part of wing, but managed to land.
Did P-51 pilot panic, or was elevators uncontrollable?

bongodriver · #4 07-12-2011, 01:39 PM

after an impact like that there is no way the P51 would be 'undamaged' and that is exactly where the elevator and rudder control runs are, I am surprised the P51 didn't loose it's tail completely, so I don't think the pilot paniced any more than was necessary, hell I wouldn't blame him for bailing even if the aircraft was initially controllable, you saw how low the parachute opened.

Sternjaeger II · #5 07-12-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzpilot

http://player.vimeo.com/video/26291756?

Looking at the slow speed part, the P-51 looks undammaged, Skyraider lost part of wing, but managed to land.
Did P-51 pilot panic, or was elevators uncontrollable?

the P-51 control and trim cables run alongside the fuselage on double sets, the point of impact was where they do run, which probably severed them.

Considering the pilot's age (64), he acted incredibly fast and managed to get out of it almost unscathed. Hats off to Rob Davies!

_RAAF_Mini · #6 07-12-2011, 03:45 PM

The voice at the end of the clip on Flying Film link at normal speed i think is the pilot of Ferocious Frankie who circled Robs landing site for a few minutes after he went down - incase anybody wondered ;P

Zorin · #7 07-12-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

the P-51 control and trim cables run alongside the fuselage on double sets, the point of impact was where they do run, which probably severed them.

Considering the pilot's age (64), he acted incredibly fast and managed to get out of it almost unscathed. Hats off to Rob Davies!

Why is a 64 year old allowed to fly a warbird? That would be like allowing him to drive a F1 car...

Zorin · #8 07-12-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Who would have more experience in the type? A 64 year old, or some 20 year old simmer? Also, ownership probably has a big say in who flies the aircraft.

Experience won't get you anywhere, lower reaction times and physical limitations are well known facts of age and should lead to a flight ban. Simple as that.

He should use his experience to train new pilots and not hang on it for vanity's sake. Plus, he wrote off several million dollars there... not very smart.

Fjordmonkey · #9 07-12-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorin

Experience won't get you anywhere, lower reaction times and physical limitations are well known facts of age and should lead to a flight ban. Simple as that.

He should use his experience to train new pilots and not hang on it for vanity's sake. Plus, he wrote off several million dollars there... not very smart.

Experience will get you everywhere, lower reaction-time and physical limitations are a non-issue as long as he passes the medical. If he didn't pass his medical last time he took it, he wouldn't be flying. Period.

He used his experience to show people the wonder that is a warbird. This was an accident, and at least to me, it looks like the Mustang-pilot wasn't to blame. I'll await the final accident-report before I start speculating on what really happened. In other words: poo happens.

Sternjaeger II · #10 07-12-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorin

Experience won't get you anywhere, lower reaction times and physical limitations are well known facts of age and should lead to a flight ban. Simple as that.

He should use his experience to train new pilots and not hang on it for vanity's sake. Plus, he wrote off several million dollars there... not very smart.

well first of all he OWNED the plane and was deemed as physically fit to fly it; second thing he logged HUNDREDS of hours on it; third, he got out of there like a gazelle on redbull when he got hit, which was the wiser thing to do, it's not worth dying for something that is insured and can be rebuilt.. I would think twice before making such stupid statements fellas..