Even I am going negative now.

[philip.ed]

Carguy, many of these people you are whining about were completely constructive (and polite) in their criticism during the initial release period.
But lack of feedback from the dev team doesn't say much for their approach tomwards improvement. Do they have to monitor the forums? By all means, they don't! But then if you are assuming that they aren't monitoring the forums, the argument that such harsh criticism is driving them away from this community doesn't hold much water, does it? Indeed, Luthier has always adovcated that criticism of the game is better than no criticism. Here's an example. I sent Oleg pages and pages of detailed information on every type of flight-kit the RAF wore, or had access to, in the BoB. Did I get any feedback or notion of thanks? Nope. None whatsoever, apart from an e-mail asking for the same information for the Luftwaffe. Have my efforts been put to good use? Nope, despite further e-mails notifying Oleg of this. I'm not annoyed, I'm happy to be able to say that I could contribute in whatever meagre way possible, but communication in certain aspects of this sim has not always been a strong point, and even when criticism has been as constructive, detailed, and useful as mine it has still not always been taken on board. Yes, I will admit, it is extremely annoying when such critique isn't noted, which is why I find it annoying when people ask members to stop! It's not just a question that they are aware of it, it's a question that they haven't alluded to any form of awareness, and so consequently people are cotinuing to be constructively negative, in the hope that the dev-team will respond in some way, shape or form.
I'm not suggesting that they have to respond, but I find it annoying when people moan at users to stop the pressure. The pressure will only stop when the dev-team choose for it to stop. And I know I am right in saying that the majority of such 'negative-postings' are useful to the team. Many members here are experts in certain areas of the sim, and it seems silly to disregard such knowledge as well.

I will add, though, that the game does not do what it says on the tin, nor what Oleg said it would. Does this matter? As BP said, in principle, it does. Most of us were strong advocaters of the team, and I wouldn't be wrong in saying that I can't help but feel as though such 'affection' has been misplaced. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me personally, but unless the team become more sociable (maybe by installing that forum manager) topics like these will only increase. And yes, I do advocate criticism over devout affection.

My point very well put phillip!
Car guy go to the shops and buy stuff because thats what advertising tells you to do, go be a drone? Because that is what you are telling me to do in effect.
Your telling me i should ignore the standards that have been set by 1C themselves just for Cliffs of Dover?
Your telling me i should accept the lies i have been told and so on and so forth and just spend my money like a good little boy and not make a fuss. Because if Imake a fuss then i am wrong.
Dude you have brainwashed yourself to accept lower standards.
You talk of "do i beat friends over money" What!?
Do you see 1C as your friends and i'm beating on them or something.
1C are not my friends, we have a business releationship, they produce, I buy. But if they say that x, x and x is in the box and I buy it and its not in there then as a consumer I'm not happy and 1C say ok well we'll keep you informed please have patience, I say of course, and i get no or very little information back then again I'm being led a merry dance!

"Oh. And you`re saying that you`re not intelligent enough to know that principles can be preserved to an extent, depending on circumstances?"
So what you really mean is i should only retain my principles if the circumstances permit?
I think you also have that the wrong way around, its the circumstance that change around the principle, a principle stands firm under fire.

If you say your going to communicate in a regular way, then thats what you do

[JG52Krupi]

He's not telling you to do anything other than take a chill pill and have a bit of patience thats all, so stop being a bunch of drama queens.

hahaha its been a while since i heard that phrase

[JG52Krupi]

In my next post I will use"big girls blouse" or "stop getting your knickers in a knot"

[Jatta Raso]

hey cargy is there anything in or text beyond fanboism, arrogance, intolerance, insults, self-proclaimed rightness, truth owning, lack of manners and contempt toward others?... no i don't think so. give yourself a pat in the back and say 'i rule', you've earned it. seriously, your reason(?) is more bugged than CoD was at launch. with one serious difference: yours won't be patched.

[SG1_Lud]

The more I read the more I realize that the main reason for anyone's putting down the game continuosly, is having been ignored by Luthier/Oleg in the past; which is understandable, but again it doesn't help the situation.

The negative comments wont stop the ignore, and as they cant be blamed if they never felt they needed, or didnt ask for help, the only way to pay back seems to be to attack the game.

The negative comments on a steady basis could maybe lightly satisfy the personal hidden revenge desires, but they have not effect, appart of flame wars in the forum.

I'm talking about the distinct constant same-pitch sickening chant that is conducted by a few on a daily basis, with peaks on fridays.

Curiously enough, that chant was stopped for a while the day Luthier posted the team faces and their tasks, and it remained almost inaudible till the next friday.

Carguy and Cleardark are these the new community managers?

[adonys]

actually, if MG were smart, they would have picked me

[adonys]

Originally Posted by ClearDark

Eagle Dynamics did it with A-10C. They sold the beta version and after a while it became the full version. This type of business model requires alot of guts and doesn't mean it can work on all game studios.

this model only works for totally commited developers and community.

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Carguy, many of these people you are whining about were completely constructive (and polite) in their criticism during the initial release period.
But lack of feedback from the dev team doesn't say much for their approach tomwards improvement. Do they have to monitor the forums? By all means, they don't!

I will add, though, that the game does not do what it says on the tin, nor what Oleg said it would. Does this matter? As BP said, in principle, it does. Most of us were strong advocaters of the team, and I wouldn't be wrong in saying that I can't help but feel as though such 'affection' has been misplaced. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me personally, but unless the team become more sociable (maybe by installing that forum manager) topics like these will only increase. And yes, I do advocate criticism over devout affection.

I myself always advocate criticism (factual and polite one, with the chance to improve the game if the developers are smart and actually listen) over blind fanboism (which won't lead nowhere near a better present/future product).


The fault until now with Il2 CoD is UBI pulling the plug and forcing a release without having all game's cover/advertises fulfilled into the game (thereby the real cause of the false advertising, even though we suspected and kind of knew it, from russian version release's feedback, before buying it), and MG for not constantly communicating with us.