Even I am going negative now.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Well, your post certainly doesn't help either, so are you gonna stop posting?

Oh just stop it. You`re trying to switch the situation but you well know what you did. You put up another moan thread for other moaners to gather round and sing their moaning sings. SOMEBODY needs to keep reminding you that what you are doing is counterproductive and plain stupid.

Clearly that is not the case. But until I tried it yesterday I had no way to know that.

I will continue to try the sim after each new patch, and I will post here with my reactions to each new patch, positive or otherwise.

I don't care who approves of my posts or not.

Another sorry user who bought the game not knowing anything about it, fired it up and got shocked. And it`s all the same for all of you - you didn`t know crap, you spend money on it, you got surprised how the game is a mess and you felt like you need to say it to all the world what you did. Excellent.

[adonys]

I think you guys are not seeing the forest for the trees.

The very core of the IL2 CoD is pretty solid, which namely is the immersion of flight and combat in ww2 planes, and the best of all ww2 sim are offering at this point.

Everything else are details, both good and wrong, from both MG and us.

The main fault I can find to MG at this point is the lack of constant communication. And not because we diserve it, but because it's the part of the trade we're doing with MG: we bought an incomplete game, and both MG and the community knows it. It is our choice to do so, as we know there's nothing else out-there for us, no interest from any other developer regarding ww2 combat flight simulation. These days customer rights are simple laughed at by game developig companies, but while I can have no simpathies and no quarter given to giants like EA, or Ubisoft, or Blizzard, or Bethesda pulling this, it is my choice to give it to MG, as I know they are struggling to pull this up with VERY limited resources and that without them, there's no immediate future for this genre.

MG knows this too, and it should also know that they must offer something in exchange for this support. And that very thing is the communication with the supporting community.

Beside this, there are many things needing addressing in current's game state, but the most important of them are, and in this order:
a) the command system
b) the sound system
c) the AI
d) the MP
e) the FMB SDK and support
f) dynamic weather
g) dynamic campaign generator

There's almost no one (me included) playing IL2 CoD online at this moment. And you know why? Not because the sim is porked, or because of the bad performance, but because most of the people willing to play IL2 CoD online are NOT willing to play mindless dogfights (withstanding the vulching fest of the small maps, or wander aimlessly over the BoB huge map).

Most of us want to play into an online war, plain and simple. You won't see MP numbers going up until this will happen, and this can't happen until all the above points are solved, and in the order I've put it up in there.

I'm playing ww2 sims (not only combat flight sims, but also tank sims, and submarine sims) back from Spectrum times (when they actually were nothing more than simple games), and nothing compares with IL2 CoD, even in the state in which is it right now.

There's no going back for me to IL2 1946, and if this game dies, then I can't see any kind of future for this genre (at least in the following 10 years).

Just have a look at what happened with Silent Hunter or with T34 vs Tiger games (which were the spearheads of the other ww2 sims).

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Jatta Raso

the sad thing is going online and finding 6-7 guys average playing. that pretty much says it all. after years of vivid expectations from lots of people, 3,5 months after launch, finding so few ppl playing online is a testament of a broken product. raise the arrogance and ranting volume as much as you want, but beyond facts, there's nothing. no one's playing. period. and these are sound facts (no pun intended), not an attitude from some...

Oh so that gives you an unlimited license to spam this forum with counterconstructive GIVE MY MONEY BACK threads? The world is somewhat more complicated. One of the FACTS is that this is one vieo game. You payed approx $30 for it. It`s not worth the time to moan over it so much. Is there anything else in your life you give your time to besides your work? Or maybe you`re sitting in front of your pc 24h/day? You REALLY think that such moaning will fix anything? Are you REALLY that shattered by a video game? Is your life broken? All other NORMAL people shelved the game and are waiting for it to be fixed - or better - help with listing the bugs and proposing fixes.

as a fact, i keep CoD on HD to check improvements over patches, but i'm not going at it again until most issues are fixed (like sound, AI, weather and clouds - i can't play without clouds - flight models, coherent CM between SP and MP, oh well...)
i believe many do the same; ppl fell defrauded and are pretty well entitled to be! sure there's no lack of reasons...

Well yeah, I see you REALLY need to tell the rest of the world how cheated you feel. And YOU REALLY can`t stand if there isn`t as much as two moan threads raised over that every week, right?

but some ppl (like you) come to bash and somewhat troll their (also mine) remarks as if we had no rights at all, as if we all had pirated our copies or something... we do expect some light at the end of the tunnel you folks know... ppl who criticize and usually justify their claims and point specific issues expect things to get better... i see no point on being so fundamentalist on these ppl's afterthoughts. after all it's ppl who experienced and tested the product... if you don't like their evaluation, then suck it up. it's called freedom, and it's very sad not to acknowledge that. or not being able to confront their view with reason and substance. not to mention basic education.

Yeah. In case you didn`t notice, I also am entitled to point out your idiocy and immaturity. You act like little brats that didn`t get their wish on birthday. You know that 1C hasn`t any arguments and knows its faults , yet you keep bashing them week after week as if it changed anything but to make the dev team feel even more stressfull besides the time they don`t have.

i also think this anti-criticism little wave is very naive. CoD is going to be published in the US very soon. their critic is not as benevolent as in Europe towards this kind of product. and certainly less for non-US productions. IL-2 popularity has been helped by a large US simmers community until today. the moment CoD presents itself in their market as it stands today, it will be blown to smithereens (no sound online WTF???). i hope for everyone's interested that it's not.

You call your little brat whines criticism? Criticism is something that presents a value - and that is through poining out mistakes and bugs ie. helping the team locating those and fixing them. All you have been doing since April the 1st is screaming WHERE`S MY ICECREAM and presenting your lack of understanding not only criticism itself, but any kind of coperation, market laws, and the single last thing - YOU are not the only ones in the world and YOUR little life ruining bugs actually mean tlittle to nothing for a person that has a life outside of his PC. To all of you I would recommend getting yourselves a life. It helps putting things into perspective.

[ClearDark]

carguy. I love you. Amen to that post up above.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

stop now u hypnotised die hard fan, Im sick of you whining like a little boy, about valid complaints and performance reports from ppl who have experience in testing software, hardware and beta testing!

You sick of me poining out your idiocy? Good. That`s one of the accomplishments I`m going for. So that you finally stop, THINK, and notice that what are you doing is whining over a video game with complete lack of CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. You payed money for this game? Weeeeel. I did too, appeox. 45€. Am I whining? Maybe you think you traded your money for a ticket to this forum and a life tie deal to create idiot moaning threads. Congrats.
NEWSFLASH moan boy! Your neon landscape problem has been pointed out long before you did, yet somehow you manage to repeat the same NEON LANDSCAPE I PAYED FOR THIS GAME BS countless times. I bet you wouldn`t even think of doing it in real life.
The difference between you and me is simple - I keep pointing out simple facts and try to make you submit constructive stuff - you keep bashing the dev team with the same chants time and time again.

[JG52Krupi]

+1 carguy, I suggest you cool off for a bit though.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

Agreed. We're bashing the very people who are actually cooperating with us. I very much doubt that they had a hand in deciding to release the game early.

The saddest part those poor dumb sods don`t get is that IF 1C acted the same like 9/10 developpers , gave them two patches at the same time ignoring them COMPLETELY, they would just shut up and suck it up.Go to the EA forums and see how it works. Yet when the team tries to communicate, reports improvements and apologises to the crowd, they treat it as an invitement to further bashing those poeple with posts that present no value whatsoever.

[ClearDark]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

We purchased your game that is very badly broken, we are trying to help you fix it but your silence is driving people away in droves, is this what you want Luthier?

You seem to love talking out of your ass. How do you know it drives people away? You know, you are not the only living soul on this forum.

Oh and Carguy we are all happy that you love this broken game, but we have far higher standards than you obviously, I can only imagine that you are new to simulations/gaming and you simply didn't know what to expect, but for us online squadron veterans we prefer to fly with sound.

Take your standards and shove them you know exactly where. You are no better than me, carguy, or anyone else on this forum for that matter.

So the sound is broken, it'll get fixed. Chill the XXXX out and let the devs do their job.


To be honest, I XXXXXXX hope they don't fix this game just to make you whiners jump off a white cliff or something. You guys are pathetic that think you deserve the throne just coz you spent 40 euro.

[Walrus1]

The game will be fixed. Incrementally, but it seems there will be important improvements soon.

We saw the pictures, there really is a team of programmers on the case. I believe they are talented and will get it done.

Even now, I find it works well enough to enjoy quite a bit. Prognosis for the future is excellent.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Oh and Carguy we are all happy that you love this broken game, but we have far higher standards than you obviously, I can only imagine that you are new to simulations/gaming and you simply didn't know what to expect, but for us online squadron veterans we prefer to fly with sound.

The difference between you and me is that I acknowledge this game with all its faults and don`t dwell too much about it. As of today I have about 5 other video game titles which I play, given that I can`t spend more than say 11 hours weekly on gaming. I understand that you require a playable, fixed game once you pay for it. The GOLD status indeed says the game is ok for a release. And you indeed have the right to feel bad about it. But really, we know all the bugs already, we know this forum is slowly dying (game is also dying) and all we have to do is wait. Now how longer do you plan on whining on the same old stuff? Wouldn`t it be better if we didn`t create additional stress for the team? Don`t you think they already got what they deserved?But they`re saying thei`yre going to fix it. And they ARE fixing it. So what more do you want?

The second sentence clearly shows you don`t know anything you`re talking about. I`m the old IL2 guy and I saw the whole IL2 evolution from the start. The very same thing now happens with CloD. It keeps me calm and preserves my confidence in 1C dev team. The first fruit of three patches and new content indeed proves my point. I knew EXACTLY what to expect with CloD as I bought it on April the 5th, days after the first user reviews came by to be read. Which is why I don`t think any of you didn`t posses the same information before buying. And if you did buy it not knowing what you buy, then I rest my case Your Honor.

I have approximately 500 online war sorties under my belt.