landscape of official storm of war trailer

[Jatta Raso]

people are entitled to make criticism, it's their right and there are plenty reasons for that. i just can't understand these childish intolerance towards criticism from some.. what's the point, do they like it so much they don't want to even hear about 'change'? do they think they own the thing? WHAT ?????????? IS THERE A POINT? always keeping with the whining and bitching because some people express and justify their views.. and they call us whiners.. when that's all these ppl do, never bringing anything to the discussion except "it's ok as it is" "i know better, you don't" "i'm smart, your dumb" "i can see, you're blind" etc.. empty, childish, and above all pointless. those who criticize do it so because they want CoD to get as good as it can. those who whine about justified complaints, i'd really like to see their point. maybe they ignore the reason of this thread; take a look at the vid in OP, we've been lied, plain and simple, not saying intentionally, but nevertheless

personally what hurts me the most is to see that things looked better in previous stages, seeing much simpler games out there having much better landscape (yes WoP, and if you don't like the green colour all over then compare in grayscale, works just the same because it's not a colour issue; trees, tree placement, towns and tiling just end up looking plain better); as for landscape not being a central feature, that's much more debatable than colour grading and such; i for one like immersion and want as believable terrain as it gets; i don't think anyone else taste on this matter is more important or overrides my own; i've seen simpler or older sim games conveying the feeling of england countryside much better than CoD (hello BoB 2). it's not a matter of HW resources, rather an art direction and the time spent with it. i'd say the countryside on CoD looks good. BUT I'LL BE DAMNED IF RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE ENGLAND!!

[Wolf_Rider]

the np is just fine LoBi ... FT is getting rather bugged, or so I've been reading

oh LoBi, and btw way, the landscaping in COD needs a major overhaul

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Jatta Raso

people are entitled to make criticism, it's their right and there are plenty reasons for that. i just can't understand these childish intolerance towards criticism from some.. what's the point, do they like it so much they don't want to even hear about 'change'? do they think they own the thing? WHAT ?????????? IS THERE A POINT? always keeping with the whining and bitching because some people express and justify their views.. and they call us whiners.. when that's all these ppl do, never bringing anything to the discussion except "it's ok as it is" "i know better, you don't" "i'm smart, your dumb" "i can see, you're blind" etc.. empty, childish, and above all pointless. those who criticize do it so because they want CoD to get as good as it can. those who whine about justified complaints, i'd really like to see their point. maybe they ignore the reason of this thread; take a look at the vid in OP, we've been lied, plain and simple, not saying intentionally, but nevertheless

personally what hurts me the most is to see that things looked better in previous stages, seeing much simpler games out there having much better landscape (yes WoP, and if you don't like the green colour all over then compare in grayscale, works just the same because it's not a colour issue; trees, tree placement, towns and tiling just end up looking plain better); as for landscape not being a central feature, that's much more debatable than colour grading and such; i for one like immersion and want as believable terrain as it gets; i don't think anyone else taste on this matter is more important or overrides my own; i've seen simpler or older sim games conveying the feeling of england countryside much better than CoD (hello BoB 2). it's not a matter of HW resources, rather an art direction and the time spent with it. i'd say the countryside on CoD looks good. BUT I'LL BE DAMNED IF RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE ENGLAND!!

Well said!

[Baron]

And, believe it or not, the devs doesn't have to listen. U might think they have to because u are entitled, but they really don't have to. If they think its fine there really isn't much u can do about it and if they do change it its because they CHOOSE to listen.

Cold hard truth, i know.

As for making changes, the quote from Oleg in another post should tell u that it MIGHT not be so easy as most of the "experts" in here think. The colour changes has to correspond with lighting conditions, times of day, dynamic lighting etc.etc. What is the point of having dynamic lighting, dynamic weather (when it arrives) if the "perfect" colours etc. only looks "perfect" at 12.00 noon

Its one thing for a modder to do it since he doesn't have to pay any attention to the rest of the game and how the "whole" works (and they rarely do) but another matter entirely if u have to stand by your work towards a boat load of "experts" for years to come. Because, as we all know, there are quite a few in these forums that have a real hard time letting go.

As for how it looks now, i couldn't care less if some people think it doesnt look like ENGLAND because the colour is a bit off, or if the trees isn't placed correctly (seriously?) because, as a WHOLE, it looks good to me and as far as i know IT IS a BoB flight sim, u know, the one that took place up in the sky, And NOT a "true representation of ENGLAND" sim. There are other more important things to do first.

But who knows, maby the change will appear one day because the CHOSE to listen, even if they don have to.


BTW. This: "those who whine about justified complaints, i'd really like to see their point." Tells me everyone who have a "complaint" or want a fix automatically assumes he is right and anyone who disagrees is a "whiner" and is therefore not entitled to think "it looks ok". Not a very mature approach, is it? Tells me the "problem" lies in those who have "legitimate complaints" to begin with. Takes us right back to: the devs can do whatever the like and think whatever they want, its their product, their choise to listen or not listen. Just because u bought a COPY doesn't automaticaly make u the CeO of the company. For ex. from my end (regarding this issue) u saying BoBII represents a better representation of England than CoD is something i cant for the life of me rap my head around, i just cant. Imo that game looks like ****** (insert bad word). So, in your opinion, who should the devs listen to? Or maby its easier for them if they go by what THEY think?

[robtek]

You said it Baron!!!

It is very astounding what people think, they have bought for about 50 bucks.

The americans, i think, have this saying: love it or leave it.
I wonder how so many people can express their love only in the range from critisizing (constantly) to outright bashing (also constantly).
That reminds me of a dad, spanking his son for some minor offense, saying: it is only for your best.

[kendo65]

I'm just going to state what is obvious from the pages of this thread - some people have an issue with the landscape and some don't. Can we all at least agree that others are entitled to their own opinions no matter how wrong we may think they are?

As there is no point continuing to argue over the same points, maybe it would be an idea to have a poll - one question 'How happy are you with current COD terrain?'. 4 possible answers -

Very happy - don't want changes
Reasonably happy - but would like to see improvements
Unhappy - Big changes needed
Very unhappy - This issue ruins the game for me

Getting some numbers on how people feel would at least give the devs an idea of how important (or not) this is to fix.

Baron and Robtek make some good points, but on the 'love it or leave it' idea, as someone who looked forward to this game for years, and who really wants to enjoy it and play it I find I am in danger of 'leaving it' (for the foreseeable future at least) because certain aspects ruin things for me atm. Please realise that most of us with genuine issues about this game's current state are not whining for the sake of it or because we enjoy it.

responding to ALi Fish - I'm with SsSsnake here too. There are quite a few il-2 maps (modded and unmodded) that I prefer to current COD. [a word of explanation to pre-empt the inevitable 'wtf' response - yes I know that COD is technically superior with better lighting, but the fact is a lot of the il-2 maps do the job of creating believable terrain better for me - they work within their limitations and manage to fade into the background without jarring the eye constantly as COD seems to for some (?) of us]

[Jatta Raso]

Originally Posted by Baron

And, believe it or not, the devs doesn't have to listen. U might think they have to because u are entitled, but they really don't have to. If they think its fine there really isn't much u can do about it and if they do change it its because they CHOOSE to listen.

Cold hard truth, i know.

As for making changes, the quote from Oleg in another post should tell u that it MIGHT not be so easy as most of the "experts" in here think. The colour changes has to correspond with lighting conditions, times of day, dynamic lighting etc.etc. What is the point of having dynamic lighting, dynamic weather (when it arrives) if the "perfect" colours etc. only looks "perfect" at 12.00 noon

Its one thing for a modder to do it since he doesn't have to pay any attention to the rest of the game and how the "whole" works (and they rarely do) but another matter entirely if u have to stand by your work towards a boat load of "experts" for years to come. Because, as we all know, there are quite a few in these forums that have a real hard time letting go.

As for how it looks now, i couldn't care less if some people think it doesnt look like ENGLAND because the colour is a bit off, or if the trees isn't placed correctly (seriously?) because, as a WHOLE, it looks good to me and as far as i know IT IS a BoB flight sim, u know, the one that took place up in the sky, And NOT a "true representation of ENGLAND" sim. There are other more important things to do first.

But who knows, maby the change will appear one day because the CHOSE to listen, even if they don have to.


BTW. This: "those who whine about justified complaints, i'd really like to see their point." Tells me everyone who have a "complaint" or want a fix automatically assumes he is right and anyone who disagrees is a "whiner" and is therefore not entitled to think "it looks ok". Not a very mature approach, is it? Tells me the "problem" lies in those who have "legitimate complaints" to begin with. Takes us right back to: the devs can do whatever the like and think whatever they want, its their product, their choise to listen or not listen. Just because u bought a COPY doesn't automaticaly make u the CeO of the company. For ex. from my end (regarding this issue) u saying BoBII represents a better representation of England than CoD is something i cant for the life of me rap my head around, i just cant. Imo that game looks like ****** (insert bad word). So, in your opinion, who should the devs listen to? Or maby its easier for them if they go by what THEY think?

pal why do you quote me if you CHOOSE not to address anything i said?? what have i said specifically about colours?? when was i implying demands to devs?? nowhere i think. you just lack concentration when reading. and your BTW end paragraph, i can't answer that, it just doesn't make any sense. read more carefully, you don't seem to have a way at manipulating meanings.
just a word about the devs doing what they want: plainly right and ok with, as long as we're told the truth. which wasn't the case. again read carefully at the end of 1st paragraph (not to mention the vid, where features where advertised, which were re-stated in later stages of development)

anyway, i read a whole lot more then i write in here, what drove me in here were incredibly intolerant comments towards legit criticism, triggered by the devs former promises, and if everything i (or others) write can be used as fuel for war, well, makes me not want to.

as a final word, i just can't understand this attitude where you're supposed to not just notice but appreciate inertia effects on spinning wheels you forgot to retract after take off, but then you have to pretend major visual aspects are ok when clearly they're not. sounds kinda schizophrenic to me. after all this is a simulation; its users are known for being perfectionist and demanding. something cultivated by the 1C founder himself. some go about physics, some go about visual fidelity, some go for everything. to each he's own i say

[SsSsSsSsSnake]

bravo

[Das Attorney]

I've got X-Plane 9 installed with photoscenery of the UK assembled from Google Maps. (G2XPL plugin - zoom level 17).

It compares favourably with the IL2 textures. Granted, one represents England 70 years ago and one is for present day, but it seems logical that the colours of plants/crops haven't changed that much in the years between.

COD is missing a decent weather system though. IMO, this would make much more difference to perception of the colours than what there is at the moment (permanent dry, sunny day at the moment in COD).

The map is a work of genius though. I live in Brighton and frequently travel between home and London. The whole surrounding area is easily recognisable. The South Downs are accurate and the towns and villages are in the right place. It's very easy to navigate around based on the scenery, which I think is far more important than the colours. Good work 1C!

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Das Attorney

I've got X-Plane 9 installed with photoscenery of the UK assembled from Google Maps. It compares favourably with the IL2 textures.
COD is missing a decent weather system though.

Hmmm.................., ok I wasn't going to post this, as I'm not a fan of photo scenery, but as I don't have a real aeroplane, or a licence to fly one, photo scenery is the next best thing to look at.

Yes I know the light conditions are hugely different and photo scenery has no ground detail or shadows, but as a comparison of Cliffs to 'reality'?

I actually like the landscape in Cliffs if the colours were a little closer, the trees looked English, and the roads had hedgerows. In fact I don't really understand why hedgerows couldn't be added to the roads/field - models/textures as a matter of course. But I know nothing of 3D programming. On the ground, and close to it, Cliffs looks superb. It's only when you climb it starts to look 'wrong'.

I also can't wait for a weather system to be implemented successfully, you'll see from the clip what I mean, (and before anyone jumps on my neck, I know REX are only 2D clouds).

Don't blink, the comparisons are very short. Anyway, enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LubLOo2en0k