109E3 cannons or spud guns

Kurfürst · #1 06-30-2011, 03:34 PM

Its a lighter shell fired with a similiar charge - its faster. IIRC on 151/20 it was 805 m/sec vs 710 or so of the regular HEI/API, and 700ish on the MGFF vs. the regular 520 or so. It did loose speed a bit faster, but I don't think that matters at these marginal ranges of 100-200 meter.

TomcatViP · #2 07-01-2011, 10:14 AM

The big diff came from the feeding mechanism for the canons that went from a large and rather impressive belt arrangement (!) to 60 rds drums.

Masi67 · #3 07-03-2011, 06:44 PM

Mg FF pretty useless as it is now

MG17 is killer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMnSqcmANro

Kongo-Otto · #4 07-07-2011, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TomcatViP

The big diff came from the feeding mechanism for the canons that went from a large and rather impressive belt arrangement (!) to 60 rds drums.

Both the MG/FF and the MG/FFM never had a belt feeding mechanism, they always had the 60 round drum when mounted in the BF 109. Only the E-1 with the wing installed MG-17 had ammo belts.

JG53Frankyboy · #5 07-07-2011, 06:06 AM

And the cases of the 20mm ruonds were collected in the wing and not thrown out like in CoD AFAIK

FG28_Kodiak · #6 07-07-2011, 06:48 AM

TomcatViP · #7 07-07-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Both the MG/FF and the MG/FFM never had a belt feeding mechanism, they always had the 60 round drum when mounted in the BF 109. Only the E-1 with the wing installed MG-17 had ammo belts.

Wrong !

drewpee · #8 07-07-2011, 02:32 PM

I'm reading Most Dangerous Enemy. What a great book. In it it states the Germans wanted to out gun the Spitfire and Hurricanes eight MGs. Problem was they only had enough room for one gun in each wing. That's why they went for the cannons. With its slow rate of fire it was hard to hit it's target but if an AC was hit with a 20mm round it was said to be devastating.

I've practiced and practiced with just the cannons without much success. I have hit ACs with several cannon rounds and they just keep flying. Sure parts come off the planes but I'd never call it devastating. I'd say they haven't yet been modeled correctly. At least I hope that's what it is.

robtek · #9 07-07-2011, 09:35 PM

The devastating power came with the mine-shell, afaik.
So, when we have the Bf109E4.

Strike · #10 07-08-2011, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by robtek

The devastating power came with the mine-shell, afaik.
So, when we have the Bf109E4.

+1

If you put a firecracker on top of a lunchbox, will the lunchbox explode? No. Put the firecracker inside the lunchbox and it might indeed explode if the hinges don't give way first. That's the mineshell in a nutshell. It's delayed fuse would blow up parts of the aircraft instead of scorching the surface