Patience is a virtue...

[Thee_oddball]

Originally Posted by addman

I paid my 40€ for this game, I don't owe anybody to do anything. If I like the game and consider it functioning and playable with a lot of good content then I will praise it. If it's buggy, broken, unoptimized and lacking in content then I will tell it like it is. This is how a consumer should reason, if you try to defend something that doesn't deserve to be defended then you're doing other consumers a great disservice. As I said in the beginning, I paid what the game maker asked from me, he is the one who has to prove to me that I spent my money well.

Being a sim does not excuse this game in any way, that's selective thinking and is only for the deluded. A game is a game is a game, no more no less. Yes, patience is a virtue, maybe next time 1c/MG/Ubi can have the patience to wait for us to pay until their product is finished, patience is indeed a virtue that should apply to EVERYONE.

+1 but we still need to keep plugging away...I don't want some port from XBOX tobe the next ww2 sim i fly..
S!

[retrojet]

I just finished watching an episode on the History Channel of the air-war during WWII.
Those involved gave their lives for what they believed was a true fight for freedom.
I had an uncle in an armoured division who was killed in the last days of the war.
I respect their sacrifice and play sims to try to 'feel' what was an incredible period in history.
If, for fifty bucks, I can get anywhere close to that experience ...even if only virtually... I think it's worth it.
Were time-travel an option, I wouldn't be typing this sad effort...
COD maybe rough for some, but the YouTube vids I've seen prove it's got great potential...

If I were a programming genius and able to code the greatest sim ever, I would!

But I'm not... And respect the guys who try... I don't believe the COD team
are out to intentionally make our lives, and theirs, a gaming nightmare...

...yer, I'm a mug... Say what you will... But at least I refuse to get so effed up about a bloody game, when the world is effed up for real!

[ATAG_Dutch]

Snigger.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Snigger.

Hey hows it going hell4hitler?

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

Hey hows it going hell4hitler?

HaHaah, love it!!

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

HaHaah, love it!!

Cool!

[Blackdog_kt]

This thread will only end up going down in flames anyway, so here's my take on things.

In my personal case, i knew what i was getting into and i decided to buy it anyway. My decision, my problem, i spot and submit the bugs for them to fix, if i can find workarounds i'll post them to get other players up and running and that's all there is to it.

On to the grand scheme of things now...

I believe the communication from the developer team wasn't very good. On the other hand, and i don't mean this as an excuse for them but just as a statement of factual past experience, they were always lacking in that regard. Anybody who has dealt with a developer and their products for some length of time knows what are their strong and weak points, so i knew we would get a lot of cool stuff mixed in with bugs and a lack of information. It's just a matter of personal evaluation for each of the fans, deciding if they will go ahead and take the dive into the new sim or wait until it matures a bit.

I believe some people got genuinely misled, especially if they were new guys who never tried out the previous series and these are owed some kind of apology no doubt.

What i seriously don't get and don't believe for one second is that certain veteran members of the community, with quite a few years of experience behind their backs on how the previous series unfolded and how maddox games generally operates were totally unaware of the coming troubles, especially when in many cases they were spelling it out themselves during the development phase like a chorus of Cassandras.

No, these guys simply couldn't wait for the first reviews and/or couldn't stand not having the sim on their hard drive even though they knew what was coming. As such, if they want to maintain some kind of credibility they also have to acknowledge their part of the blame not in the state of the sim but in their self-inflicted angst.

In other words i'm not saying the state of the sim is their fault, far from it. I'm saying their fault is buying into something they knew (knew is actually mild, it's more like prophecised and going all "i told you so") would have teething problems and as such, i can't really sympathize with their point of view. Of course it's their right to maintain whatever point of view they want, i'm just saying i'm not convinced one iota and choose to maintain a different opinion.

I mean, if the most pessimistic of people during the development phase decide to be day one buyers instead of doing the sensible thing and waiting it out, i can't help but chuckle a bit.
It's self-inflicted agony and e-masochism at its best, turned into a sense of entitlement out of pretending to be misled about stuff they were predicting all along, which results in hilarious self-contradiction: it's "i told you so all along" on one hand and "i got fooled by the devs" on the other one

I don't mind to be honest, it spices up the forums and adds a welcome comedy factor to lighten up the workload of testing, bug reporting and making tutorials/troubleshooting guides for those who want to post the useful stuff. Not minding doesn't mean i won't call it for what i see it though, a valid point of view presented in a tragicomic way that saps it of its credibility.

[flyingblind]

Ok, lets take the restuarant analogy used on the forum. People quite rightly say they would be angry if they ate out and paid for a disgusting meal. Perhaps not such a good analogy because you would start eating before you paid so you could complain and get your meal redone or just walk out without parting with cash. But lets suppose you paid up front and then found the meal inedible? Well in this particular restuarant the kitchen staff are saying that if you care to remain seated they will continue to serve you food at no extra cost untile they get it right and you are happy.
Of course you may never be satisfied but at least they did their best and they haven't just taken your money and ran. If they wanted to do that they would have released in America, grabbed what they could and folded.

[ATAG_Doc]

Some people are going to become bitter old men and all alone. You accept it you cannot worry about them.

[timholt]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

One thing I will say for CoD in its current (and for the forseeable future) state, its almost single handedly cured my 10 year addiction for the il2 series...

Sadly me too.