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Old 06-20-2011, 06:08 PM
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I wonder, is there a single statement anywhere about Luftwaffe pilots complaining about the lack of 100 octane engines or fuel, during the Battle..? Or the Italians..?
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Old 06-20-2011, 06:29 PM
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I wonder, is there a single statement anywhere about Luftwaffe pilots complaining about the lack of 100 octane engines or fuel, during the Battle..? Or the Italians..?
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"...Goering turned to me. I did not hesitate long. 'I should like an outfit of Spitfires for my group..."'
Galland, The First and the Last.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:13 PM
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"...Goering turned to me. I did not hesitate long. 'I should like an outfit of Spitfires for my group..."'
Galland, The First and the Last.
Does the history work so? Did you read this book? You would quote it what wrote in the next sentences?
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:17 PM
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What a tool, and you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

Here is a quote directly from the book as made by Galland (you obviously haven't read it).

"The theme of fighter protection was chewed over again and again. Goering clearly represented the point of view of the bombers and demanded close and rigid protection. The bomber, he said, was more important than record bag figures. I tried to point out that the Me109 was superior in the attack and not so suitable for purely defensive purposes as the Spitfire, which, although a little slower, was much more manoeuvrable. He rejected my objection. We received many more harsh words. Finally, as his time ran short, he grew more amiable and asked what were the requirements for our squadrons. Moelders asked for a series of Me109's with more powerful engines. The request was granted. 'And you ?' Goering turned to me. I did not hesitate long. 'I should like an outfit of Spitfires for my group.' After blurting this out, I had rather a shock, for it was not really meant that way. Of course, fundamentally I preferred our Me109 to the Spitfire, but I was unbelievably vexed at the lack of understanding and the stubbornness with which the command gave us orders we could not execute - or only incompletely - as a result of many shortcomings for which we were not to blame. Such brazen-faced impudence made even Goering speechless. He stamped off, growling as he went."

So Galland even in his own book states he preferred the 109 over the Spitfire and that his quote was made purely to get at Goering. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you twist words and meanings to suit your own agenda?

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Old 06-20-2011, 07:25 PM
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What a tool, and you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

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So Galland even in his own book states he preferred the 109 over the Spitfire and that his quote was made purely to get at Goering. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you twist words and meanings to suit your own agenda?
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Never seen someone's credibility evaporate quite so quickly.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:49 PM
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Moelders asked for a series of Me109's with more powerful engines.
So Galland asked for Spitfires and Moelders wanted 100 octane Me109s...
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:35 PM
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So Galland asked for Spitfires and Moelders wanted 100 octane Me109s...
Work on your reading comprehension skills a bit?

Galland asked for spitfires facetiously, because he was receiving orders from above that the escort fighters were to stay close to the bombers, a role to which the spitfire was better suited than the 109. He was trying to make a point that his fighters were not being used to their strengths, not that he felt the spitfire was superior.

Similarly Moelders did not ask for "100 octane 109s" since the Germans didn't classify their fuel that way (and in some cases measured the octane number differently). He asked for 109s with more powerful engines.

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Old 06-20-2011, 11:03 PM
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He asked for 109s with more powerful engines.
Luftwaffe fighter pilots, like all fighter pilots, wanted aircraft with better performance. This is abundantly clear from the above quotes and they pressed their claims with Goering himself! One way to get better performance was through the introduction of the 100 octane rated DB601N engine and it is clear that Luftwaffe fighter pilots were pressing for its introduction...( I can't wait for the torrent of claims that Luftwaffe pilots "didn't want any stinking 100 octane rated engines...") RAFFC pilots also wanted better performance, and they got a complete transition to 100 octane fuel, a transition which was completed prior to the start of the battle.
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:07 PM
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Salomonic hipotetic solution: Luftwaffe must buy some A6M2 Zero(Or buy the licence)and everybody is happy.
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