Anybody else think the ground is too soft?

Originally Posted by jcenzano

they are supposed to be flat, but if you bounce like this first thing you have to do is to go full power to try to cushion the "second" landing or to go around if you can.

i don´t know whats the reaction time for that particular engine, but at least you have to try to do something. if you leave your power back, you know that the second landing is going to be nasty.

And by the way, I think that COD landings are fine. Landing an airplane (no crosswind/flat runway) IS easier than most people think.

The aircraft was airborne for less than 2.5 seconds after hitting that bump. I can't think of any aircraft that could have lessened the second touchdown or avoided it with full power applied exactly after that bump.

[JG52Krupi]

My main grind with landing is that it just doesn't feel right, feels like I'm landing in jelly rather than grass. Il2 felt better.

[pupaxx]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

easy guys...

The pilot was gonna go land on the hard tarmac runway, but he touched down before it, and that little ramp shot him back up in the air.. at that point there was nothing he could do.

I clearly remember this (I was close where the vid is filmed, and the vid clearly shows what I'm saying) 'he touched down before' because... the plane approaching the runway suffered a spark misfire or something like that...anyway some power loss because of which the plane sinked on the ground and then bounced into the air ( the vid shows a puff of smoke and then u can hear the engine sound not properly harmonic!-I think the pilot gave some throttle but the engine simply flops!)
...wow the worst english I ever wrote...!!! sorry

anyway..coming back to the thread.. Il2 series have always forgiven such situations!

[Redroach]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

The aircraft was airborne for less than 2.5 seconds after hitting that bump. I can't think of any aircraft that could have lessened the second touchdown or avoided it with full power applied exactly after that bump.

Hmm an F-15 with afterburners engaged and pulling hard on elevators? j/k

[pupaxx]

..I dont think that a piston engined aircraft save you from such situation simply slamming forward the throttle..Consider the torque! The torque has always been feared by Spit-pilots.

[whipper1]

As a RL pilot, two issues strike me as very significant. One, once wind is implemented then landings will be much more "interesting", and two, on the flare and contact, dump the flaps immediately or "float" and suffer the consequences.

[bongodriver]

dump the flaps immediately or "float" and suffer the consequences.

this is frightening to hear (as a RL pilot), imagine having zero flap and getting briefly airborne after a 'bounce'........without the flaps giving the lift at low speed you will hit even harder on the second landing and or you could get a wing drop at the same time....very messy, I see no reason why the pilot could not have used some power fed in slowly to initiate a go around or at least soften the second landing given the engine did sound a little sick.

[jcenzano]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

The aircraft was airborne for less than 2.5 seconds after hitting that bump. I can't think of any aircraft that could have lessened the second touchdown or avoided it with full power applied exactly after that bump.

JETS can.

well, at least you have to do something, and if not full (torque), some power must have been applied and relaxing the pull on the stick would have made things a little bit better.

I have seen many student pilots that after bouncing on the runway or after a very high flare, the only thing they do is just to try another flare qhile they keep back pressure on the stick.

My point is that you can´t completely solve the situation as if nothing had happenned, but at least you have to try something to minimize the second impact. Doing nothing is the worst thing to do.

But giving it a second thought, if you land like that... maybe is better not to try something than can lead to an even worse situation.

[DB605]

Originally Posted by pupaxx

I clearly remember this (I was close where the vid is filmed, and the vid clearly shows what I'm saying) 'he touched down before' because... the plane approaching the runway suffered a spark misfire or something like that...anyway some power loss because of which the plane sinked on the ground and then bounced into the air ( the vid shows a puff of smoke and then u can hear the engine sound not properly harmonic!-I think the pilot gave some throttle but the engine simply flops!)
...wow the worst english I ever wrote...!!! sorry

anyway..coming back to the thread.. Il2 series have always forgiven such situations!

Misfiring is clearly audible from the video. It also show how tough landing gears Mustang have!

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

The aircraft was airborne for less than 2.5 seconds after hitting that bump. I can't think of any aircraft that could have lessened the second touchdown or avoided it with full power applied exactly after that bump.

probably a Fiesler Storch, those things fly even if you blow at them!

Many microlights and smaller GA planes will be fine with a full-throttle slam, unless you really are at the brink of stall..

Originally Posted by pupaxx

I clearly remember this (I was close where the vid is filmed, and the vid clearly shows what I'm saying) 'he touched down before' because... the plane approaching the runway suffered a spark misfire or something like that...anyway some power loss because of which the plane sinked on the ground and then bounced into the air ( the vid shows a puff of smoke and then u can hear the engine sound not properly harmonic!-I think the pilot gave some throttle but the engine simply flops!)
...wow the worst english I ever wrote...!!! sorry

I can tell you from personal experience that pilots will say the craziest bollox to justify their mistakes..

The plane was sounding quite rough (a long misfire or maybe some problems with the valves), but whichever the case he was coming down for a long final, I think he got scared by the noise and tried to put down the plane asap, but forgot (or didn't know) about that hideous bump. If anything he was very very lucky, let's not forget that the landing speed in that thing is around 110mph and mustangs' laminar wings are not always that forgiving at low speed..

Originally Posted by whipper1

As a RL pilot, two issues strike me as very significant. One, once wind is implemented then landings will be much more "interesting", and two, on the flare and contact, dump the flaps immediately or "float" and suffer the consequences.

whipper, I dunno where you got your license man, but where I come from that's a HUGE "no no". Landing is a critical moment aerodynamically, and you need all the lift possible, like if you have to go for a go-around..