What aircraft would a Battle for Moscow senario need?

[TeeJay82]

Originally Posted by csThor

If you're lucky you might get some early Tomahawks for the latter stages of the soviet counter-offensive. No cannon-armed Spits, no P-39, no A-20s ... Not for Taifun.

Ill take a p40 over any early war russian fighter anyday, i find the .50`s to be the most average balanced round in the game. Ammo vs Stopping power wise

[Avimimus]

My priorities:
- Mig-3
- Il-4 (exceedingly well balanced bomber, with larger payload than the Il-2 or Pe-2)
- Il-2 (good strafing platform)
- Po-2 (or R-5)
- FW-189 (durable glass house, with strong gunners and giant wingspan)
- HS-126
- P-40B
- Pe-3

Wouldn't it be lovely to have these all as flyables?

However, knowing Luthier, there will likely be more of an emphasis on high performance planes (eg. notice that the projects he's supervised tend to off the maximum bombloads, without lighter operational options)...

Originally Posted by TeeJay82

Ill take a p40 over any early war russian fighter anyday, i find the .50`s to be the most average balanced round in the game. Ammo vs Stopping power wise

You only get two of the heavy machine guns though

[IceFire]

I don't think anyone mentioned the Yak-7... I'm fairly certain that there were Yak-7s in operation here as well. Mostly 7A but later the 7B as well... would have to look at the timing closely.

[csThor]

@ unreasonable

Thx. If Prien says so then I stand corrected.

@ IceFire

IIRC the Yak-7's transition into a frontline fighter began in late 1941 but I am not sure if it did fly combat missions before spring 1942. Remember the soviet aviation industry was still in the process of relocation to the east and was not up to speed.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by csThor

@ unreasonable

Thx. If Prien says so then I stand corrected.

@ IceFire

IIRC the Yak-7's transition into a frontline fighter began in late 1941 but I am not sure if it did fly combat missions before spring 1942. Remember the soviet aviation industry was still in the process of relocation to the east and was not up to speed.

Good point. I had a look at the Osprey series Yak Aces book and it says the first Yak-7 went into service with 172 IAP in September 1941. I don't know where they were nor if they flew combat missions. I guess further digging required to find out if they were used or not.

[JG53Frankyboy]

the Yak7 as fighter was in action in the Battle of Moskau area , according to Gordon&Kazhanov. But VERY few only. And personaly i would say, to include them as flyable would not be worth the effort as the performance difference to a Yak1 was so minor...

MiG3, LaGG3, Yak1, P-40 'Tomahawk' in whatever versions, are already a lot of work in the wanted quality i guess. And than there are still the Polikarpows

[csThor]

Hehe ... I can already envision the picture one Pe-2 recon pilot had when he was tasked to find the spearhead of a german Panzerkorps after the ground forces had lost contact. He came across a ten-mile long tank column and reported back - only to be asked how much Vodka he'd consumed before. It was not before a second pilot confirmed the finding that the higher ups understood that the soviet front had been broken.