What aircraft would a Battle for Moscow senario need?

[unreasonable]

Originally Posted by csThor

No Bf 109 F-4, AFAIK no unit engaged in Taifun was equipped with them.

II/JG3 were equipped with F4s on 27th July 1941. It was transfered from V Fliegerkorps to II Fliegerkorps at the end of September in preparation for Taifun and operated in the Orel area (on the southern end of the Taifun front) until 12th October, after which it was transfered to support the attack on the Crimea.

See J.Prien's book "JG3 Udet in WW2" for details.

Anyway, I would hope that the new expansion would include a Kiev or Crimea map anyway,so the full plane set should be available.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by csThor

For Germany it would probably be

Bf 109 E-7 (as fighter-bomber)
Bf 109 F-2
Bf 110 C/D/E (fighter-bomber and strategic recon)
Ju 88 A-4/5
Ju 88 D (strategic recon)
He 111 H-3 / H-6
Hs 126
Hs 123
Ju 87 B-2
Ju 52
Fi 156

For the VVS

I-16 (ShKAS-armed types)
I-153 (ShKAS-armed types)
LaGG-3
MiG-3
Yak-1
Pe-2
Il-2
+ more that I can't remember now

You forgot the mighty killing machine, the famous Po-2 (U-2)

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by csThor

For Germany it would probably be

Bf 109 E-7 (as fighter-bomber)
Bf 109 F-2
Bf 110 C/D/E (fighter-bomber and strategic recon)
Ju 88 A-4/5
Ju 88 D (strategic recon)
He 111 H-3 / H-6
Hs 126
Hs 123
Ju 87 B-2
Ju 52
Fi 156

For the VVS

I-16 (ShKAS-armed types)
I-153 (ShKAS-armed types)
LaGG-3
MiG-3
Yak-1
Pe-2
Il-2
+ more that I can't remember now

Clearly visible that Moskau campaign would not be happy times for reds. Lots of turkey shooting for the Luftwaffe. Although the tactical situation will be in favor of the commies. If the flak accuracy will be close to that of IL2, blue team might have a tough time also. Yes, that and the Friedrich`s 15mm against Sturmovik armor. BUT, the fieldmod did introduce the MG 151/20 for the F2. Another thing - I think I read somewhere that the Bf110s have served in this campaign, although in small numbers. This makes the Hs129 the most welcome plane to be had, because frankly the lufties don`t have much to stop the russian tanks with.

I wish they would release Pacific theater aircraft . Then people could just create the islands when the SDK comes out.

[TeeJay82]

Originally Posted by Rather peeved

could we see lend lease aicraft such as tomahawks, cannon armed spits and hurricanes and cobras?

Dear god yes, gimme the A-20c

[csThor]

If you're lucky you might get some early Tomahawks for the latter stages of the soviet counter-offensive. No cannon-armed Spits, no P-39, no A-20s ... Not for Taifun.

[Rather peeved]

I would point out that if the flagship aircraft for the next installment of this game is the IL2 it could pose some problems.

The IL2 is obviously a ground attack aircraft, and most of us can't currently fly over ground in Cliffs of Dover thanks to stutters.

could be a minor issue.

[TeeJay82]

Originally Posted by csThor

If you're lucky you might get some early Tomahawks for the latter stages of the soviet counter-offensive. No cannon-armed Spits, no P-39, no A-20s ... Not for Taifun.

Ill take a p40 over any early war russian fighter anyday, i find the .50`s to be the most average balanced round in the game. Ammo vs Stopping power wise

[Avimimus]

My priorities:
- Mig-3
- Il-4 (exceedingly well balanced bomber, with larger payload than the Il-2 or Pe-2)
- Il-2 (good strafing platform)
- Po-2 (or R-5)
- FW-189 (durable glass house, with strong gunners and giant wingspan)
- HS-126
- P-40B
- Pe-3

Wouldn't it be lovely to have these all as flyables?

However, knowing Luthier, there will likely be more of an emphasis on high performance planes (eg. notice that the projects he's supervised tend to off the maximum bombloads, without lighter operational options)...

Originally Posted by TeeJay82

Ill take a p40 over any early war russian fighter anyday, i find the .50`s to be the most average balanced round in the game. Ammo vs Stopping power wise

You only get two of the heavy machine guns though

[IceFire]

I don't think anyone mentioned the Yak-7... I'm fairly certain that there were Yak-7s in operation here as well. Mostly 7A but later the 7B as well... would have to look at the timing closely.