Gamespot Review for CoD - Score: 4.0

[KOM.Nausicaa]

"Fair review of the product".

Maybe so, although I am not sure I actually agree with it. The list of games and especially sims that went public half broken is endless...from small niche sims to big blockbuster MMO's with 100M$ production cost. And there are many which became great games / sims nevertheless, because the devs and the community continued to support it, with sometimes massive improvement only some months after the initial "failed" release. Someone played the first months of EvE Online? Or Age of Conan, or even WoW? Or SH3, SH5, ROF, BoB WoV, and so on. Heck, I can remember the whining at the release of the original IL2 that it was "unplayable" on mid range and lower range machines! And see what it has become -- reference N°1 in WW2 combat simming.

The reviewer should know all this, and maybe he does. But then he should also know what a niche product this is, and that it's almost a miracle this console crazy world is getting a new serious WW2 combat sim AT ALL. He should be very careful what he is doing.

So yes, he can say truthfully what his first impressions are on this current day -- fair enough. But it would have been a lot smarter, and IMO more fairplay, to not give a score at the moment, but to wait instead until the planned revisit in 6 months.
That is what Eurogamers.fr has done, and I think that is a much better idea if you want to give the game a chance.....and the genre. Review yes, but no score until the devs have gotten their chance on fixing it.
http://www.eurogamer.fr/articles/tes...test445?page=3

Now Gamespot has done the damage and the score of 4/10 will run through the internet, hurting this sim, and ultimately the genre as a whole. Even if you score the game 8/10 in six months it's hard to take that back.

Not very smart !

[Katana1000S]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

Now Gamespot has done the damage and the score of 4/10 will run through the internet, hurting this sim, and ultimately the genre as a whole. Even if you score the game 8/10 in six months it's hard to take that back.

Not very smart !

Very true, when you throw mud it sticks unfortunately, CoD is not the only release that was released early, RoF was too, we are in a global recession just now and if the devs never got money then they would be unable to continue and its as simple as that, its not as if the devs of IL2 have done a runner, they are giving support and patches and very good patches too now that they can pay some bills, any good review should take note of the global recession and what it means and be more realistic IMHO.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

"Fair review of the product".

Maybe so, although I am not sure I actually agree with it. The list of games and especially sims that went public half broken is endless...from small niche sims to big blockbuster MMO's with 100$ production cost. And there are many which became great games / sims nevertheless, because the devs and the community continued to support it, with sometimes massive improvement only some months after the initial "failed" release. Someone played the first months of EvE Online? Or Age of Conan, or even WoW? Or SH3, SH5, ROF, BoB WoV, and so on. Heck, I can remember the whining at the release of the original IL2 that it was "unplayable" on mid range and lower range machines! And see what it has become -- reference N°1 in WW2 combat simming.

The reviewer should know all this, and maybe he does. But then he should also know what a niche product this is, and that it's almost a miracle this console crazy world is getting a new serious WW2 combat sim AT ALL. He should be very careful what he is doing.

So yes, he can say truthfully what his first impressions are on this current day -- fair enough. But it would have been a lot smarter, and IMO more fairplay, to not give a score at the moment, but to wait instead until the planned revisit in 6 months.
That is what Eurogamers.fr has done, and I think that is a much better idea if you want to give the game a chance.....and the genre. Review yes, but no score until the devs have gotten their chance on fixing it.
http://www.eurogamer.fr/articles/tes...test445?page=3

Now Gamespot has done the damage and the score of 4/10 will run through the internet, hurting this sim, and ultimately the genre as a whole. Even if you score the game 8/10 in six months it's hard to take that back.

Not very smart !

+1

Well said and thought.

[Russkly]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

"Fair review of the product".

Maybe so, although I am not sure I actually agree with it. The list of games and especially sims that went public half broken is endless...from small niche sims to big blockbuster MMO's with 100$ production cost. And there are many which became great games / sims nevertheless, because the devs and the community continued to support it, with sometimes massive improvement only some months after the initial "failed" release. Someone played the first months of EvE Online? Or Age of Conan, or even WoW? Or SH3, SH5, ROF, BoB WoV, and so on. Heck, I can remember the whining at the release of the original IL2 that it was "unplayable" on mid range and lower range machines! And see what it has become -- reference N°1 in WW2 combat simming.

The reviewer should know all this, and maybe he does. But then he should also know what a niche product this is, and that it's almost a miracle this console crazy world is getting a new serious WW2 combat sim AT ALL. He should be very careful what he is doing.

So yes, he can say truthfully what his first impressions are on this current day -- fair enough. But it would have been a lot smarter, and IMO more fairplay, to not give a score at the moment, but to wait instead until the planned revisit in 6 months.
That is what Eurogamers.fr has done, and I think that is a much better idea if you want to give the game a chance.....and the genre. Review yes, but no score until the devs have gotten their chance on fixing it.
http://www.eurogamer.fr/articles/tes...test445?page=3

Now Gamespot has done the damage and the score of 4/10 will run through the internet, hurting this sim, and ultimately the genre as a whole. Even if you score the game 8/10 in six months it's hard to take that back.

Not very smart !

What you say is right, in our opinion, i.e. that of the select and very adoring combat flight sim niche.

However in the big, bad world of business, a product was released, for whatever reason, in a state barely fit for purpose. In most professions one would get slammed for giving the purchasing public something so obviously undercooked.

Gamespot simply did what they do with other games once released - review them.

We shouldn't blame Gamespot for not being as one-eyed as we are; rather we should blame Ubisoft/iC/Maddox for the untimely release of this product.

That said, I love 1C/Maddox and IL2 & CoD, and I will endure patiently while it becomes, I hope, the wondrous product it could become.

R

[mayestdo]

Fair review of the product

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Originally Posted by Russkly

What you say is right, in our opinion, i.e. that of the select and very adoring combat flight sim niche.

However in the big, bad world of business, a product was released, for whatever reason, in a state barely fit for purpose. In most professions one would get slammed for giving the purchasing public something so obviously undercooked.

Gamespot simply did what they do with other games once released - review them.

We shouldn't blame Gamespot for not being as one-eyed as we are; rather we should blame Ubisoft/iC/Maddox for the untimely release of this product.

That said, I love 1C/Maddox and IL2 & CoD, and I will endure patiently while it becomes, I hope, the wondrous product it could become.

R

I disagree. First of all I have played all kinds of games. I play since the early 90's -- I have seen a lot. And IL2 COD is BY FAR not the worst release -- especially since the devs are there busting their butts trying to fix it. This is already an exception today. Most common are devs running away never to be heard of again -- let alone posting on a forum like this.
Ace"s? Disappeared from the radar after CFS3 release. The community "fixed" the sim the best they could in 7 years of modding work, with some miraculous results, like OFF. Do you think there was ever a single post from the devs in any of their forums in 7 years? Nope, nada, nil.
Pretty much the same story with SH5. It being fixed by the modders over at Subsim since a year, and it has become pretty good.

The reviewer at Gamespot could have easily known that the game is about to be fixed...or that the intent is there. A simple click over to this forum could have told him so. It would have been nothing than fair play and common sense to wait some weeks until you throw a score into the world....a score which may be completely false in some months, or even just in some weeks. Hell, maybe next week end.
I say that he was lazy, and uninterested in the genre. that would not surprise me. It would not surprise me if was uninterested in PC simulation as a whole.

[ICDP]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

I disagree. First of all I have played all kinds of games. I play since the early 90's -- I have seen a lot. And IL2 COD is BY FAR not the worst release -- especially since the devs are there busting their butts trying to fix it. This is already an exception today. Most common are devs running away never to be heard of again -- let alone posting on a forum like this.
Ace"s? Disappeared from the radar after CFS3 release. The community "fixed" the sim the best they could in 7 years of modding work, with some miraculous results, like OFF. Do you think there was ever a single post from the devs in any of their forums in 7 years? Nope, nada, nil.
Pretty much the same story with SH5. It being fixed by the modders over at Subsim since a year, and it has become pretty good.

The reviewer at Gamespot could have easily known that the game is about to be fixed...or that the intent is there. A simple click over to this forum could have told him so. It would have been nothing than fair play and common sense to wait some weeks until you throw a score into the world....a score which may be completely false in some months, or even just in some weeks. Hell, maybe next week end.
I say that he was lazy, and uninterested in the genre. that would not surprise me. It would not surprise me if was uninterested in PC simulation as a whole.

Sorry, that is nonsense pure and simple. If you set a precedent for holding back reviews because the game might possibly be fixed/updated by devs & or modders in the distant future then every single game review is worthless. Do you really think the reviewers should have held of reviewing SH5 until the modders had it for a few years?

[Viper2000]

I think the review is fair; the reviewer can only review the product that he's testing, not the product that he might have in the future.

I just hope that they write another review in say 6 months or a year when the bugs are ironed out...

[SlipBall]

No punches held back in the review...devs should have known better and refused to release, so as to protect their good name.

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Originally Posted by ICDP

Sorry, that is nonsense pure and simple. If you set a precedent for holding back reviews because the game might possibly be fixed/updated by devs & or modders in the distant future then every single game review is worthless. Do you really think the reviewers should have held of reviewing SH5 until the modders had it for a few years?

No. You didn't understand what i was saying. I made precisely the difference between intent to be fixed and no visible intent. If the intent is there -- easy to get that information on all the related websites -- you can hold with a negative score and give it some weeks. And it seems I am not only one thinking that, because that is what Eurogamers has done, and one the biggest German computer games website too. It's nothing else than waiting for a final review and a score until some patches are out. It's not so uncommon.