Bf-110 is THE fighter

[He111]

Can you change the armament in COD ?? I would like to see the rear gunner with a 20mm cannon, then lets see how vulnerable it is!

Actually Arm all the He111 with 20mm dorsal guns then 109s can do what they like! LOL!


He111.

[Friendly_flyer]

If we consider the CoD as a fair representation of BoB combat machines, I guess we'll see soon enough how the 110 would fare if handled well tactically.

[bongodriver]

Apart from electing/alowing a genocidal maniac to run the country and diverting useful resources to these 'mad' schemes, the Germans didn't make many mistakes, so i would suggest they handled themselves very well tactically.

[Blue 5]

Can you change the armament in COD ?? I would like to see the rear gunner with a 20mm cannon, then lets see how vulnerable it is!

Was that not facing forward for engaing ground targets? Trying to aim a manually handled 20 mm sounds like a receipe for not hitting much...

If we consider the CoD as a fair representation of BoB combat machines, I guess we'll see soon enough how the 110 would fare if handled well tactically.

It should do quite well as it will be flown by people who want to win and survive, rather than according to an operational requirement which usually requires a degree of sacrifice on the part of the individual. Look at its record in other theatres and you can see the capabilities of the design.

[Flying Pencil]

Originally Posted by He111

Can you change the armament in COD ?? I would like to see the rear gunner with a 20mm cannon, then lets see how vulnerable it is!

Actually Arm all the He111 with 20mm dorsal guns then 109s can do what they like! LOL!


He111.

Never had 20mm, but did get MG-81z, twin 7.92 BB's, 3600 RPM :O

111 had 13mm installed

[csThor]

If you chain an aircraft like the 110 to the slow-moving bomber formations the results are predictable. The defending fighters can bounce them at will and they're too heavy to get to any speeds useful in combat. Fact is they had the range, the firepower and the speed to be used in fighter sweeps which could have created all sorts of issues for the RAF (such as attacking squadrons taking off or assembling, strafing runs against airfields and parked aircraft, picking off damaged fighters trying to limp back to their base etc). But the Luftwaffe choose not to. Talk about utter failure of common sense.

[Blue 5]

Fact is they had the range, the firepower and the speed to be used in fighter sweeps which could have created all sorts of issues for the RAF (such as attacking squadrons taking off or assembling, strafing runs against airfields and parked aircraft, picking off damaged fighters trying to limp back to their base etc). But the Luftwaffe choose not to. Talk about utter failure of common sense.

Apart from Er. 210, which did a superb job. Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery, this was not lost on Germany's opponents

[David Hayward]

Criticizing the Germans for parking their fighters next to the bombers instead of sweeping out ahead is easy to do with 20/20 hindsight. But the Americans did the same thing when they were first able to send P-47s and P-51s to escort bomber missions. It wasn't until later that they realized that sending the fighters out ahead was a better tactic.

[Blue 5]

Criticizing the Germans for parking their fighters next to the bombers instead of sweeping out ahead is easy to do with 20/20 hindsight.

They didn't; it was more nuanced than that; JG26 – with the blessing of Goering – worked around a 3-tier system that saw one Gruppe on sweep, one on high cover and one on close. It was sometimes adopted by other units. The rationale behind the 110s being used as close support was to free up 109s for less constrained escort. Had the 109s been present in sufficient strength then the heavier fighters might have been allowed to operate more imaginatively as Er. 210 was.

The 8th tried something similar once they had enough aircraft and experience; one squadron ahead, one above and one close. They could pursue retiring fighters if the bombers remained covered.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Blue 5

The rationale behind the 110s being used as close support was to free up 109s for less constrained escort.

Which means the Germans already realized that the 110 was a pig. They were hoping that very few Brits would get past the 109s, and that the 110s would be able to handle those which did. Had the Germans thought the 110s could take on Spitfires and Hurricanes on equal terms they would not have hid them behind the 109s.