Community FM Efford

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

The good thing about MODs (not "modifications" but "modules") is that you and your server can run the package you want.

But to have modules (and not modifications) we need the SDK ASAP.
Who cares about the stock FMs, nobody is so stupid to change those and if he do he would not fly without being banned in a dozen of minutes.

Look at the HSFX 5.0 where if you want you can enable those different FMs. At the same time this package is used by so many serious virtual squads that FMs are not being changed to the taste of "one side" but every squad gives its feedbacks. And then all the squad agrees to fly with those FMs during the coop, df server of online campaign; these are guys who fly full difficulty missions.

Mods give you the choice to play the game you want and this is the direction that 1C guys have to take ASAP. Team Daidalos is good but remember what happened with the new advanced bomb fusing; dozens of people crying about it (too hard, not totally realistic ect)
And they still couldn't fix the 190s.

So hacking the code should be denied by 1C but at the same time they should provide the SDK so that people can have "really" fun... (I'll never fly again in a Emil with a turn time of 25secs)

If TODAY there are still buyers of IL2 1946 it's because of "illegal" modders.

Do not get me wrong, I used UP and HSFX and considered them a huge achievement. But that was at a time when IL2 was at the end if it's lifetime and new input into the series was urgently required.

So while in principle I am all for modules, as you call them, I am just saying this does not achieve to much as long the individual is able to tweak his planes the way he wants without any restrictions. In that I am not worrying about the jet speed Swordfish, these guys will be banned really quick, I am more worried about subtle changes that give slight edges that could also be explained with good flying, and that at a time when the whole series is too young to have really established itself. I see massive problems coming to the series in this regard.

And I repeat, I am aware of yours and Hunin's efforts in IL2 and welcomed them much, so this is not aimed at you guys at all, it's more about a general worry. Getting some sort of official backing here would do lots to calm people worries, especially those that don't know your history.

[csThor]

Quite frankly the only thing that'll come out of that will be the same as in Il-2 - various groups of people flaming each other like prophets of various religious sects, all of which are absolutely convinced only they have the holy grail of FM/DM/whatever and all others are heretics. Cooperation with the developer yes, and a lot of that please. But getting "the community" to agree on anything? Well, I've got some property on Jupiter to sell to you.

Thanks, I pass ...

Originally Posted by csThor

Quite frankly the only thing that'll come out of that will be the same as in Il-2 - various groups of people flaming each other like prophets of various religious sects, all of which are absolutely convinced only they have the holy grail of FM/DM/whatever and all others are heretics. Cooperation with the developer yes, and a lot of that please. But getting "the community" to agree on anything? Well, I've got some property on Jupiter to sell to you.

Thanks, I pass ...

I second that. Just look what mods have done to IL2. A splitted community with tons of servers and one cannot fly on most of them because one has not the right mod. Before mods one could jump into whatever server and have fun. And don't even talk about the cheat accusations that florished like pest plants. Mods are MP game killers.

I always had hoped that humans can learn from the past ....

[IvanK]

Doesn't STEAM and a Confs.ini entry of VAC=1 force the STEAM check system on ?

[*Buzzsaw*]

Salute

We all knew that CoD was going to be open to modding of both the aircraft/damage/graphics/maps models... BUT, that was supposed to have only after the tools to accomplish this were released, and those mods were only supposed to be potentially activated on non-secure servers.

It is really unfortunate that we have third parties already imposing their hacks on the game, when it is still not fully developed. If these hacks are useable on supposedly secure public servers, then it will be a disaster for the community. Even IL-2, after the mods were introduced, had a Check Runtime=2 file which made players conform their game version to that of the hosting server. If this hackers mods are useable on CoD servers, then my prediction is the community will dissolve very quickly.

I would urge the developers to do all they can to squash this development immediately, and to ensure the community can fly online with the secure knowledge the game will provide a level playing field for all participants.

[carguy_]

Interesting. I abandoned IL2 shortly after it got cracked. I`ve had no support in damning the mods. Never quite seen it perform in practice, but I couldn`t fly online when the integrity of the game got compromised.

Anybody know how it turned out for IL2 1946 from 2007 to 2011r? Was the community fractured or not? Any cheats online?

Anyways, I thought Steam covered that issue with COD...?

[t4trouble]

But il2 has very little cheats compared to most games,the vast majority would not cheat prefer to down people by your own skill and not by cheating.Age factor might have alot to do with this i think as the il2 community is rather mature i believe.

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Interesting. I abandoned IL2 shortly after it got cracked. I`ve had no support in damning the mods. Never quite seen it perform in practice, but I couldn`t fly online when the integrity of the game got compromised.

Anybody know how it turned out for IL2 1946 from 2007 to 2011r? Was the community fractured or not? Any cheats online?

Anyways, I thought Steam covered that issue with COD...?

The community has always been divided since the release of the game because of the way the virtual pilots want to play IL2. There are the lovers of simulation, the sunday pilots and so on.

So there are different IL2 communities (and there will be regardin CloD).

If the one where you fly is a serious one then there is no fear of cheating since it's difficult to find a guy having fun in this way. These guys only go to fly in servers with pilots of their kind. They don't cheat, the enemy doesn't cheat.

An example is the SEOW community: the squadrons who fly these type of campaign know each other... if there is a cheater it will be the squadron itself who'll ban him.

Infact it's almost a closed campaign and you have to be invited to fly. The average age of the pilots is very high, probably 30-35 years and the respect between the pilots is the highest.

If instead you are used to fly alone in a server full of free pilots (I mean they fly alone, in no squadron) then there is more chances to find a cheater.

It's all to you. Have you ever thought to enter in a squadron?

PS: avoiding modded IL2 you are really losing a wonderful aspect of IL2. A beautiful (graphics and sounds), realistic (you know what I mean, it's still a videogame), historic simulator.

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

But that was at a time when IL2 was at the end if it's lifetime and new input into the series was urgently required.

I totally agree with you.

Edit: still we had to wait 10 year for corrected FMs.

@Thor: I want to choose my religion, I don't want "their". In this the way everybody is happy.