Game is Unplayable

[bongodriver]

despite my many conflicts with various oppinions I do agree the release had a stumble on its first step, but at least it's headed in the right direction (a propper flight sim), I am struggling with this 'pain' analogy people are using.......pain? really?

[Bobb4]

I will be the first to agree that I do not always like what Tree_UK posts...
But he did see the forest before the trees so to speak.
He predicted a half finished game and that is exactly what has been delivered.
Calling Tree a creep or any other name does not change the fact that the game should have been delayed and fixed. It is obvious that the game was not tested at all with any modern systems and that is why the release has been an absolute disater.
I am an old IL2 stalwart and messing in the config files is second nature.
But for a flightsim novice buying this off the shelves in Russia or anywhere else this game is crap.
A youngster with an i7, 8 gig of ram and a GTX580 that installs this game is going to toss it especially when you consider you have titles like RoF, Black Shark and other flight sims that actually work out the box.
It may eventually be the il2 killer it was claimed to be but currently it is dying.
One day when Oleg writes his book, I am sure the launch of CoD will make a very amusing read. I know it will not be his last chapter as things will look up soon enough...
Roll on patch 4.11 for CoD of course

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

He predicted a half finished game and that is exactly what has been delivered.

That is like predicting that dogs will bark. It was pretty obvious that the game had to be pushed out the door. That is not the slightest bit unusual in the software business. Get over it.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

That is like predicting that dogs will bark. It was pretty obvious that the game had to be pushed out the door. That is not the slightest bit unusual in the software business. Get over it.

Every EA game I have ever purchased has worked out the box. Yes there have been patches to fix some issues early on and then bigger ones for tweaks etc...
But to say it is normal to release a pc game that gives you 8-9 fps on a high end machine, seriously have you been smoking something

[bongodriver]

But to say it is normal to release a pc game that gives you 8-9 fps on a high end machine, seriously have you been smoking something

not consistently, only over densely detailed terrain, and even then not 'everyone' has had the same problem, lets get just a little perspective, yes the game wasn't perfect on release, but why do you doomsayers have to paint the blackest possible image.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

Every EA game I have ever purchased has worked out the box. Yes there have been patches to fix some issues early on and then bigger ones for tweaks etc...
But to say it is normal to release a pc game that gives you 8-9 fps on a high end machine, seriously have you been smoking something

EA isn't making WW2 flight sims. RoF was a disaster when it was released. And not everyone is getting 8-9 fps.

Originally Posted by Bobb4

I will be the first to agree that I do not always like what Tree_UK posts...
But he did see the forest before the trees so to speak.
He predicted a half finished game and that is exactly what has been delivered.
Calling Tree a creep or any other name does not change the fact that the game should have been delayed and fixed. It is obvious that the game was not tested at all with any modern systems and that is why the release has been an absolute disater.
I am an old IL2 stalwart and messing in the config files is second nature.
But for a flightsim novice buying this off the shelves in Russia or anywhere else this game is crap.
A youngster with an i7, 8 gig of ram and a GTX580 that installs this game is going to toss it especially when you consider you have titles like RoF, Black Shark and other flight sims that actually work out the box.
It may eventually be the il2 killer it was claimed to be but currently it is dying.
One day when Oleg writes his book, I am sure the launch of CoD will make a very amusing read. I know it will not be his last chapter as things will look up soon enough...
Roll on patch 4.11 for CoD of course

I know it is not posted in correct forum or thread, but let's share it here, because I think your post is very interesting and even MORE important to realize...

I am creator of Hitler and IL2: CoD rant video, and youtube offers quite nice demography statistic based on the viewers.

What I see on statistics, probably quite a surprise for many - huge majority (more than 70%) of viewers are older than 35 years... 13-17 is absolute minimum... even there are more people 65+ than these youngsters... And btw... 97% of all are men...

It is empiric findings - this community is getting old, it is in fact old. And I think this is the biggest problem of the flight sim game segment, which has to be addressed if you want to have nice and modern sims in future too.

Right now, this game failed to attract young people (or newbies)... There is nothing which would take them away from FPS or RTS games. Next combat flight sim has to be written completely differently, if they would like to attract young men (or newbies).

It is a must, to accept the real empiric data. It is a must to create a sim in balance of technical beauty with "gaming" beauty, which is attractive also to the young people.

Btw... it was viewed by around 10 500 people. I don't think all of them are IL2 only virtual pilots. Many viewed it just because of nostalgia, because they used to fly in IL2 few years ago... it doesn't look like big community, big market segment. In fact it look like this community is shrinking... let's say, dying slowly...

And having this in mind, it must be said by anyone who is really loving PC combat flight sims - to Oleg, Luthier, whoever will pick this fallen flag from mud - Not this way next time. Learn from the mistakes of others and do it differently.. Please...

[bongodriver]

and some people are doing their best to make sure it does.....

Originally Posted by bongodriver

and some people are doing their best to make sure it does.....

unfortunately, their best is not enough as empiric facts say... But real problem is not their best or lack of skill, the problem is in the philosophy of this sim.

Goal of this sim is to simulate perfectly (if possible) planes, FM, DM, CEM, weather, turbulence etc... . But it is missing crucially simulation of virtual "pilots", squadrons, Battle of Britain theatre as whole... It is critically lacking what's called "social gaming" today... This is even worse and fatal than old MIDI sounds of guns or that Skins are in wrong directory or anything like that...

[bongodriver]

But it is missing crucially simulation of virtual "pilots", squadrons, Battle of Britain theatre as whole... It is critically lacking what's called "social gaming" today... This is even worse and fatal than old MIDI sounds of guns or that Skins are in wrong directory or anything like that..

after 6 days of european release and still waiting on a north american release I am not exactly surprised it hasn't got it's own community yet.........it just surprises me that others from an apparently 'social' community are so anti-social about this sim and just want to see it die.