The F4 vs G2 109 :confused:

Robotic Pope · #1 03-30-2011, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dementia_Seven

i never came to a point! please post ur expiriences here!

what is the better 109? the g2 or the f4?

i read about f4 got better aerodynamics but a weaker motor slower climb rate.
g2 instead got more power higher speed and of course more wight.

my expirience says, in g2 u get more victories especially when the opponent crashes on the deck but both got the same guns with it.

please help me out of this...

The G2 has the same aerodynamics as the F4. The G2 has basicly the same engine too, only the cylinder block was bored out to increase the engine capacity from 33.9l to 35.7, litres gaining around 175bhp. This engine performance gain let Messerschmitt fit larger fuel tanks and better protective armour. All this led to the 109G2 being 10% heavier than the 109F, which gave it a higher stall speed and less manuverability than the F and some nasty handling characteristics on take off and landing. This is why the 109F is known as the nicest 109 to fly and the best 109 in a dogfight.

The aerodynamics of the 109G6 though are worse than the F4 and G2, thanks to the larger 13mm machine guns needing more space for their breech mechanism (those two humps infront of the pilot create more drag).

BeaverCompany01 · #2 03-30-2011, 01:34 AM

I think the G2 in this game performs better regardless of real world stats.

Just my 2 bits

Robotic Pope · #3 03-30-2011, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BeaverCompany01

I think the G2 in this game performs better regardless of real world stats.

Just my 2 bits

Well it is quite a bit faster than the F4, but I find the F4 does turn and roll better.

BeaverCompany01 · #4 03-30-2011, 02:28 AM

If it rolls and turns better I would say "marginally" however I tend to use the higher energy and speed to its advantage and as such would give it a slight edge............plus the camouflage is cooler so it must be better...............lol

vdomini · #5 03-30-2011, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

The G2 has the same aerodynamics as the F4. The G2 has basicly the same engine too, only the cylinder block was bored out to increase the engine capacity from 33.9l to 35.7, litres gaining around 175bhp. This engine performance gain let Messerschmitt fit larger fuel tanks and better protective armour. All this led to the 109G2 being 10% heavier than the 109F, which gave it a higher stall speed and less manuverability than the F and some nasty handling characteristics on take off and landing. This is why the 109F is known as the nicest 109 to fly and the best 109 in a dogfight.

The aerodynamics of the 109G6 though are worse than the F4 and G2, thanks to the larger 13mm machine guns needing more space for their breech mechanism (those two humps infront of the pilot create more drag).

agree!

in game, F4 have weaker weapon than G2, mean it's lighter, and then turn better.

G2 have better weapon and engine a bit better, but a bit heavy.

So it's up to your flying style choosinge one...

winny · #6 03-30-2011, 10:54 AM

The F4 was much lighter and it's the favourite Mk of a lot of the top LW aces.
Everthing after the F4 was a compromise (aerobatically) in some way, even though performance increased (much like the the Spit from Mk 5 onwards)
I think the BoP versions are pretty close - F4 feels more agile than the G's and the G's are more agile than the K. Firepower wise it's the opposite, G's the middle for both, best of both worlds.

I love flying the F4 in bop but it's so hard to kill stuff in it that I end up in a G because when you hit something with that it stays hit!

Dementia_Seven · #7 03-30-2011, 03:45 PM

thanks for the replies. i had to say that i was knowing about all the tecnical dates about the 109s cause i have eaten up everything i could find about. Books, movies, newspapers etc... and i know the russian programmers kids who did bop wont do so realistic. so...

its the game perform that is confusing me!

BOTH PLANES GOT THE SAME GUNS!

why the g2 is seem to be a better killer?

for me one thing in the g2 feels completly different. the blackout in sharp turns seems to me darker than in same manouvers at the f4. that means that ur pulling mor Gs and that means ur turn is sharper. the same in negative G manouvers. at the g2 i had the feeling that there is more red than in the f4. please tell me more. i'm so still confused...
but both the f4 shall do!!!

so if u came to the same clue plaese tell

Robotic Pope · #8 03-30-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dementia_Seven

thanks for the replies. i had to say that i was knowing about all the tecnical dates about the 109s cause i have eaten up everything i could find about. Books, movies, newspapers etc... and i know the russian programmers kids who did bop wont do so realistic. so...

its the game perform that is confusing me!

BOTH PLANES GOT THE SAME GUNS!

why the g2 is seem to be a better killer?

for me one thing in the g2 feels completly different. the blackout in sharp turns seems to me darker than in same manouvers at the f4. that means that ur pulling mor Gs and that means ur turn is sharper. the same in negative G manouvers. at the g2 i had the feeling that there is more red than in the f4. please tell me more. i'm so still confused...
but both the f4 shall do!!!

so if u came to the same clue plaese tell

Personaly I have never felt the G2 to have more firepower than the F4. You are probably flying faster in the G2 while turning causing more blackout even though the turn is larger. Everything has to be done at a higher speed in the G2.

There is a spreadsheet that someone made back when the game was new, Its hiding somewhere on this forum. Its turn stats were flawed because he used low elevator sensitivity, but you can still compare the 109s performances against each other. I remember the 109F was the quickest to complete a turn.

Dementia_Seven · #9 03-30-2011, 07:15 PM

u got right! of course more speed cause more Gs ^^

so the f4 was the hightest peak of evolution in bf 109s development.
the g2 is compareable but leaks of its added features. the frame of the plane was developed many years ago.

thanks for replys

the funny thing is, that doesnt help against spits who have a better turning rate in good hands while the guns are double as much as the bfs f4 and g2 got.

one question i had at least is about the g10!

it once was my favorite but i recognised it has some bumps on the wings. i thougt they where keeping the landing gear. right? why the g10 only has 3 guns. and no mk 108?

grislawskijg52 · #10 03-30-2011, 07:39 PM

I like the g2 best... I feel at ground level in simulator it can be very elusive. It has enough firepower to compliment a good deflection shot (where its advantage lies). It also has the speed and maneuverability to make a quick escape. It does not in my opinion black out as much in the turns as a spit does. The g10 is comparable, but my understanding is that it cannon is bigger?? Not certain but, bezshimney flew it a bunch and swore by it.