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Old 03-24-2011, 09:57 PM
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Maddox Games needs to discuss this with an attorney. Any epileptic can pick up any game and it can induce a seizure. Pretty much all games carry anti-epilepsy warnings and they are sufficient to prevent any litigation. IL-2 COD just needs to have the 'disable epilepsy filter' option buried in an ini file and as such the user has to take precise and deliberate action to change the option. There is not a judge anywhere that would rule against the game designer in such a situation.

At the end of the day they're being bullied by ubisoft to comply with their ridiculous whims and as a software developer myself I really, really feel for them.

Good luck Luthier, Oleg etc. getting this thing taken care of. We all have 100% confidence you will come up with a great solution that will solve this nasty problem.
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:16 PM
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Ubisoft just continues to show why they are hated so much.
Like a bad dream...


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Maddox Games needs to discuss this with an attorney. Any epileptic can pick up any game and it can induce a seizure. Pretty much all games carry anti-epilepsy warnings and they are sufficient to prevent any litigation. IL-2 COD just needs to have the 'disable epilepsy filter' option buried in an ini file and as such the user has to take precise and deliberate action to change the option. There is not a judge anywhere that would rule against the game designer in such a situation.

At the end of the day they're being bullied by ubisoft to comply with their ridiculous whims and as a software developer myself I really, really feel for them. Do something but make it and optional feature.

Good luck Luthier, Oleg etc. getting this thing taken care of. We all have 100% confidence you will come up with a great solution that will solve this nasty problem.
I absolutely agree with the above. On what rights can someone sue you on account of human stupidity? Change the interface, redo the cover, put it on on the manual in bold red lettering - heck even replace the title with "EPILEPTIC WARNING".




I wish you best of luck in dealing with this. Even if you sort out FPS & SLI/CF problems, I wonder how will this affect overall graphical representation.

Words can't express the shock I am still feeling after reading about this two hours ago!
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:30 PM
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I absolutely agree with the above. On what rights can someone sue you on account of human stupidity? Change the interface, redo the cover, put it on on the manual in bold red lettering - heck even replace the title with "EPILEPTIC WARNING".




I wish you best of luck in dealing with this. Even if you sort out FPS & SLI/CF problems, I wonder how will this affect overall graphical representation.

Words can't express the shock I am still feeling after reading about this two hours ago!
Someone could simply ignore to be epileptic. One person in 4'000 can suffer from a seizure induced by light patterns. And also, someone can be an-alphabet. Or under 6 years old. Or not speaking the language of that version. Or ... you name it. A good lawyer can make a fortune out of this, in US but not only. More than that, Ubisoft wants to improve his public image after the Nintendo issue in UK, which caused a tabloid-galore.

Again, I blame only the very late action on this spec, maybe related with the late choice of the Western publisher.

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PS: or, maybe, it's just an excuse for the low FPS ... just kidding !
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:33 PM
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So, i guess we now call it IL2:EW (Epileptic Warning)
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:42 PM
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well after readin all this im almost glad that Im not getting the game until the 19th...

I hope this all gets sorted out by then.
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:44 PM
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Hey, I have hemorrhoids from sitting and playing il2 too much, can Ubisoft do something about this?
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:51 PM
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My thoughts regarding this particular fiasco à la Ubisoft:




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Hey, I have hemorrhoids from sitting and playing il2 too much, can Ubisoft do something about this?
I once got elbow bursitis for resting my elbow on table while playing IL-2! Class action lawsuit for not telling me that I should use padding under my elbow!

WARNING: FOLLOWING VIDEO MAY CAUSE PHOTOSENSITIVE APOCALYPTIC SEIZURE


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Old 03-24-2011, 10:52 PM
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Exactly. I demand that every CloD copy must be shipped with one of these:

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Old 03-24-2011, 10:51 PM
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I've just read another Luthier's post on Sukhoi forums and yes, this is indeed very serious.
Luthier stated that this epilepsy issue has forced them to completely irreversibly screw the representation of propellers- ruining their spin rate and transparency. This is already implemented and is not reversible.

Then we read here that they will have to now go through the rest of the game "fixing" things one-by-one. (Just like propellers)

THe current "overall fix" does not only concern SLI- it also causes freezes/fps drops for single card users when flying low for example.

Beta testers and people who played CoD at Russian gameshows say that even then the game was less jerky and better optimised . Epilepsy (as it stands now) has indeed impacted the game for ALL users. I thought it was a joke, but its pretty grave.

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http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1571060

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Old 03-25-2011, 06:18 AM
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Someone could simply ignore to be epileptic. One person in 4'000 can suffer from a seizure induced by light patterns. And also, someone can be an-alphabet. Or under 6 years old. Or not speaking the language of that version. Or ... you name it. A good lawyer can make a fortune out of this, in US but not only. More than that, Ubisoft wants to improve his public image after the Nintendo issue in UK, which caused a tabloid-galore.

Again, I blame only the very late action on this spec, maybe related with the late choice of the Western publisher.

Cheers,
6S.Insuber

PS: or, maybe, it's just an excuse for the low FPS ... just kidding !
While this is true what you say - isn't thew game rated at 16+? How hard would it have been to include SOMETHING in the installation process (e.g. "WARNING: continue at your own risk, we are not responsible etc..."), or something in the interface, preferably before each mission loads...? Or just make it OPTIONAL, and gradually implement/perfect this feature with patches/add-ons??

I am sorry but logic eludes me here. How does breaking a functional product for the masses helps the minority out there that suffers from epileptic seizures? Unless I am mistaken, not ever other human suffers from this (e.i. 1 in 2).

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Yeah but even so, the dev's dropped the ball big time on this one, blaming UBi is a bit lame.
For the first time I completely agree with you Tree. If this causes such a big FPS hit & hardware incompatibility, and devs have decided to not make it optional - why the hell wasn't CoD delayed???

Words can not describe my disappointment. I worked hard and saved enough money to build a high end rig just for this title. Now not only am I not going to purchase this (unless it gets fixed/removed), but I am having second thoughts about building a rig all together.
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