A few questions from a new player

[Fatt_Shade]

No prob man, no said you call us wrong it`s just diferent ppl have diferent problems and situations. I just now say perma sheep on osme paladins, some1 going with 120 sheep`s, which were paladins with turn back time casted on them, while in sheep form
On this topic, i say in my game Summoner boost Royal grifins, Orc trackers, all Thorns (warrior, archer and king), Dryads first skill, Demon summon skill. But doesnt effect Demonologist or Rune mage (here is my bad in earlier post). Rune mages are already overpowered with 1.31 patch, i had idea to change rune bonuses for other units, but got lost in trying
As for mechanic look into Neatness skill, nice bonus, and if you plan on destroying bunch of items you dont use later in the game, for crystals/runes not bad investment.

[ckdamascus]

A lot of answers are in the ultimate manual.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=18453

Something gets lost in the translation, but basically the summoner skill affects these abilities.

"""Operates on spells Natural Call, Necromancer’s Call, Portal of Demons, Phantom and on talents of beings
Give birth Gobots, Heavenly Guards, Appeal of Demons, Demonic Creatures, to Call Thorns, to Call the
Bear, to Lift Undead, Budding and Sowing.
"""

Rune Mages are not listed though since the manual was written before rune mages existed.

Same with the engineers. It is possible they do not consider them in the group, or it is a bug.

[Loopy]

Ahh, so Demonologists are supposed to benefit it seems (assuming that Demonic Beasts = Demonic Creatures). It must just be a bug in the displayed leadership value, which is a total lie.

I saw that thread before, but didn't realize it was actually an expanded guide to the game. At first glance it sounded just like the standard manual with a few corrections to the mistakes that seem to be in every game's manual these days.

[Zechnophobe]

Originally Posted by Loopy

Ahh, so Demonologists are supposed to benefit it seems (assuming that Demonic Beasts = Demonic Creatures). It must just be a bug in the displayed leadership value, which is a total lie.

I saw that thread before, but didn't realize it was actually an expanded guide to the game. At first glance it sounded just like the standard manual with a few corrections to the mistakes that seem to be in every game's manual these days.

Looks to me like they have to special case each 'summon' effect, and so the new Crossworlds units didn't get in there. Both Rune Mages and Engineers are new in Orcs on the March, and probably got left off. Sad, really. Rune Mages needed the help.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

Looks to me like they have to special case each 'summon' effect, and so the new Crossworlds units didn't get in there. Both Rune Mages and Engineers are new in Orcs on the March, and probably got left off. Sad, really. Rune Mages needed the help.

Yeah, you are right. It makes sense that they "forgot" since both units are new.

The rune mages are still semi-strong though. The 1.3.1 patch does let them get a little more juice compared to 1.3.0.

[Fatt_Shade]

They didnt `forget` Orc tracker with summoning skill, he gets boost from it and is new unit in CW expansion. Instead developers made some weird decisions with Rune mage and mechanic instead, but it`s already done and finished. I hope they fix that mistake in brand new and almost piblished KB 2-The Wedding of Amelie&Bill
On serious side every game have some problems, it`s our job as players to find htem , and inform ppl in charge to fix them in future (hopefully).

[Zechnophobe]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

They didnt `forget` Orc tracker with summoning skill, he gets boost from it and is new unit in CW expansion. Instead developers made some weird decisions with Rune mage and mechanic instead, but it`s already done and finished. I hope they fix that mistake in brand new and almost piblished KB 2-The Wedding of Amelie&Bill
On serious side every game have some problems, it`s our job as players to find htem , and inform ppl in charge to fix them in future (hopefully).

Heh, and yet... army Drum.

And trapper Medal.

And Paladin (unit) resurrection.

All have totally wrong tooltips, and have since KBAP first came out in English.