Poll regarding Steam users

[Luftrofl]

Originally Posted by JG27+Freid

Ubi tried their own DRM and STEAM didn't like it so they refused to sell UBISOFT games which pretty much screwed them so they had to let STEAM sell them and run them. Evidently STEAM is the microsoft/google of PC gaming sales. They use every tactic to gain and keep a stranglehold on the market. They like google are also known to be a data mining company extroidinaire.

I am not interested in a third party dictateing to control what i choose to have installed on my PC and how i choose to use a product I paid for. I am not new to this.

I still have my commodore 64. My first flight simulator was RedBaron and it was 8 floppy disc's. Thats right i am not a kid. I have been flying flight simulators for nearly 20 years. I find this digital download and 3rd party software with a permanent internet connection an infrignment on my freedoms and rights.

This will eliminate and water down the present IL2 community and replace it with an Arcade group dominated and controlled by a corporation only interested in profit and control.

Bye Oleg and enjoy kids !

Do a little more research because you obviously have no clue what went down between Ubi and Steam regarding the DRM.

[JG27+Freid]

Originally Posted by Luftrofl

Do a little more research because you obviously have no clue what went down between Ubi and Steam regarding the DRM.

Really, I am glad a young fellow like you is so worldly, i would have never thought about doing that son ! No need to disrespect people with such condesending comments.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by JG27+Freid

Really, I am glad a young fellow like you is so worldly, i would have never thought about doing that son ! No need to disrespect people with such condesending comments.

He's right you know. You're information or your interpretation of what went down there was flawed.

Valve listens to the gamer community, and pays attention to the market. Ubisoft created a draconian always connected DRM that all your game data and saves were attached to. Gamers cried foul and rightfully so. Valve being a developer of games by gamers for gamers saw that this would be bad for everyone, and could potentially ruin PC gaming as a platform, AND alienate PC gamers as a whole. They made a decision to boycott Ubisoft on their platform not for personal gain, but because they felt what Ubisoft was doing was unethical.

In the light of lost profits, being boycotted from the largest market for PC gaming, and the public outcry Ubisoft made the decision to scrap the draconian DRM. It wasn't as you suggested a bullying tactic by Valve, but a protest against Ubisoft's attempt to bully PC gamers. The amount of chaos that their always connected DRM caused in it's short existence was astounding though. People lost the ability to play their game(s) because the lost connection mid-game, all the saves related to it, and in some cases even the right to play the game(s) ever again. Oh and don't forget it did actually spy and track the connections to the internet that the gamer's PC had. If you had a torrent going (even one that like YuPlay that can in no way be attached to piracy) they would revoke your license to play the game, and wouldn't return it even if you provided hard evidence that it was a legal legitimate torrent.

Personally I was glad that a relatively small business stood up to a much larger business and won. It was a David and Goliath moment, and David triumphed.

[Luftrofl]

Originally Posted by JG27+Freid

Really, I am glad a young fellow like you is so worldly, i would have never thought about doing that son ! No need to disrespect people with such condesending comments.

People who purposefully distort the facts to to make it fit their argument deserve no respect. You made it sound like Steam was the big bad guy bullying Ubisoft around at the expense of PC gamers, which was not the case. Go lie elsewhere.

[JG27+Freid]

To The Grunch and Luftrofl. I came on here and gave my personal opinion right or wrong and regardless if you agree or not. I did not attack or insult anyone whether I did or did not agree with their opinion and whether i felt it was right or wrong. Both of you attacked me personally and disrespectfully based on the fact you did not like or agree with my opinion. Who are you to try and bully people that come on here. These are not your personal forums. I will be filing a complaint with the administrators of this forum based on your unwarranted insulting and personal attacks.

[TheGrunch]

Feel free to do that. Personally I feel your immediate insulting generalisations about a large group of people were far more offensive than our replies.

[JG52Krupi]

Dammit can i change my vote? I got shogun 2 today but, because of steam I cant play it until its official release date on the 15th

Can't wait to try it, love the Japanese Samurai era.

[ElAurens]

Really wouldn't it have just been so much better if 1C had decided to just market CoD on Steam, thereby taking advantage of the large pool of potential buyers, but left the requirement to have it for play out of the deal? This is how it is for many other games and it works just fine.

That way those who like Steam could buy the title that way, and us old time, loyal players, would be happy with our current way of doing things and not have to have Steam.

That would have been a win~win for all of us.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Really wouldn't it have just been so much better if 1C had decided to just market CoD on Steam, thereby taking advantage of the large pool of potential buyers, but left the requirement to have it for play out of the deal? This is how it is for many other games and it works just fine.

I'd have preferred that as well, many other companies do so. However from 1C's point of view Steam is a no-brainer, at least for all their other games they seem to be doing well with it. It's the only way they publish in the west and they don't need to build any relationship to retailers that way, which they never had to start with.

Big open questions for me are still:
- why is Ubi also tying in Steam (technical reasons? requirement from 1C for multiplayer compatibility?)
- why is it not for sale on Steam so far (can't think of anything so I blame Ubi for that, they deserve it either way)
- will it eventually be on sale through Steam by either 1C or Ubi (fingers crossed for 1C...)

The "how can we buy what we want to buy" mystery continues...

[JG52Uther]

And while everyone is so over the moon with steam,lets hope we don't end up with EA games system!
From the destructoid forums,not directly linking 'cos of the swearing

If you ever needed more evidence of how ludicrously some publishers treat PC players, you can stop your search right here. A gamer was recently punished for using "bad language" on BioWare's forums with a ban from Dragon Age II. Yep, if you screw up on a message board, EA can stop you from playing legally purchased, offline games.

The ban was for referring to EA as a "devil", which netted the user a 72-hour suspension. During that period, he was unable to play Dragon Age II because he needed his suspended account in order to activate it. BioWare's only response was to copy and paste the terms and services of its forums, basically in order to say "not our problem."

Electronic Arts, however, has since revoked the ban -- likely due to a lot of outraged gamer backlash -- and has claimed the suspension from the game was a "mistake." Apparently he was only supposed to be suspended from the forum, but got locked out of everything that requires an EA account.

Yet further proof that EA doesn't know what the **** it's doing with its stupid EA account nonsense. Still, nice to know that such clueless chimps can essentially hold your games to ransom.