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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 03-09-2011, 05:44 AM
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Well I stand corrected and I'll take back my words then re: frame rate performance, I did get a little bit carried away. However AMD still has the bang for buck title over nVidia no matter which card you look at.

Re the driver part - same old same old. nVidia has their fair share of issues as well. I had them when I first got 8800GTX's in SLI and a 9800GTX. I also had them when I got the 4870X2, for me I've always had driver issues with a new card.

I'm not even going to try and explain why I buy the top of the line cards, anyone who knows me knows why. But at the end of the day it's about choice and what a customer wants. I'm actually waiting to see how the 590GTX fairs before I upgrade again.
No they dont - how many of these ATI cards can you link up? How much will it cost to cool them? Can I buy three or even four of these and have them in crossfire?

edit-made me lol: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/08/ju...on-benchmarks/

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Old 03-09-2011, 06:32 AM
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No they dont - how many of these ATI cards can you link up? How much will it cost to cool them? Can I buy three or even four of these and have them in crossfire?
Errrr ???? yeah you can. I've only ever had 2 way crossfire / 2 way SLI systems.

4 x 5870 crossfire on stock cooling.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=4043081

You can even now crossfire your stand alone cards with your on-board graphics chip (Hybrid CrossFire) if you've got one.

Cooling ... it depends what your doing. The stock coolers are fine even under load, just make sure your case is well ventilated. But you'd be crazy not to get a well ventilated case if your using multi GPU's, doesn't matter if your using SLI or Crossfire, goes without saying.

If you decide to overclock then that's another story. Spending $$$ on cooling depends on how much you can afford and how far you want to push the hardware.

I'm probably coming across as a AMD fan boy but I can assure you I'm not. I only go for what will gives me the best bang for my dollar.
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Old 03-09-2011, 01:45 PM
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No they dont - how many of these ATI cards can you link up? How much will it cost to cool them? Can I buy three or even four of these and have them in crossfire?

edit-made me lol: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/08/ju...on-benchmarks/
I think that when talking about bang for buck, most of us don't mean multiple GPUs. For the majority of people what it translates to is "the cheapest single card solution for a given performance range or the fastest one for a given price range, preferably one that i won't have to upgrade again for the next year or more".

In that department, Ati have been ahead during the 4xxx and 5xxx series. Heck, the first time i bought an Ati card was when i got my current i7 rig almost two years ago. I initially bought a 4870 which was defective/damaged during shipping so when it died i used the 3 year warranty and exchanged it for a 4890 which i still have. I'm very pleased with it, it runs well and cool and has more vRAM than the more expensive nVidia GPUs of that generation. If i'm 10fps ahead in one game and 10fps behind in another, i don't care much about it. It does the same job overall for less money and that's good enough for me.


If you mean bang for your buck in regards to multi-GPU setups for expensive rigs to run every single new game at maximum detail then yes, i agree there's other variables in the mix, but it's not what most people have in mind when they are talking about building a well-rounded, capable system on a budget.
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Old 03-09-2011, 03:05 PM
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I've always used nVidia since their first TNT cards apart from a brief spell with an ATi 9800 card. Back then drivers were a little patchy, no as bad as some make out mind you but were not as strong as nVidia who seemed bulletproof at the time. I stuck with nVidia for a long time but having seen the performance on friends machines and that ATi's drivers are - in my opinion as good as nVidia's I took the plunge and bought a 6870 for a cheap upgrade. I've been very happy with the performance and may stick with ATi the next time aroudn though as always I'll evaluate the cards from both manufacturers but right now it seems like ATi gives the best bang for buck and I certainly would not discourage a member here from using them.
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In that department, Ati have been ahead during the 4xxx and 5xxx series. Heck, the first time i bought an Ati card was when i got my current i7 rig almost two years ago. I initially bought a 4870 which was defective/damaged during shipping so when it died i used the 3 year warranty and exchanged it for a 4890 which i still have. I'm very pleased with it, it runs well and cool and has more vRAM than the more expensive nVidia GPUs of that generation. If i'm 10fps ahead in one game and 10fps behind in another, i don't care much about it. It does the same job overall for less money and that's good enough for me.
+1, the 48xx series have been wonderful for me, and for a relatively long time in computing terms as well.
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:12 PM
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Since Nvidia tricked me with their horrible FX 5000 series I never went back. Sold my "old" HD4670 (best low budget card ever) and got my new HD6850 a couple of weeks ago. Works like a charm but consumes a bit more juice than the 4670 but the 4670 barely consumed anything so it's not a biggie. No problems or hitches so far, I'm not a fanboy but I do perceive myself as an informed consumer. That's why I go for AMD, good performance/€, low energy consumption (maybe not the high-end cards but I never buy high-end anyway).

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 Launch Date is March 22



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The dust seems to have settled down, after AMD's launch of the Radeon HD 6990, extending the red-team's performance lead previously held precariously by the Radeon HD 5970, to the GeForce GTX 580. It looks like NVIDIA will challenge the performance leadership with GeForce GTX 590, a dual-GPU graphics card that uses two GF110 GPUs (the ones on GTX 570 and GTX 580), for an SLI-on-a-stick solution. Rumors of NVIDIA working on this card became concrete as early as in November 2010, when NVIDIA's reference board became public for the first time.

Latest reports suggest that NVIDIA has chosen March 22 as the launch day of GeForce GTX 590. Incidentally, that is also the launch date of EA/Crytek's much-hyped, initially DirectX 9 action/shooter game, Crysis 2. GeForce GTX 590 uses two GF110, though the shader configuration and clock speeds are not known. Since NVIDIA is chasing the top-spot, you can expect the most optimal configuration for the GF110s. A total of 3 GB (1536 MB per GPU system) on board, and NVIDIA's workhorse PCI-E bridge, nForce 200 will be the traffic cop and radio station between the two GPUs. The card will be able to do 3DVision Surround (NVIDIA's multi-display single head technology comparable to ATI Eyefinity) on its own, without needing a second card.
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:56 PM
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Errrr ???? yeah you can. I've only ever had 2 way crossfire / 2 way SLI systems.

4 x 5870 crossfire on stock cooling.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=4043081

You can even now crossfire your stand alone cards with your on-board graphics chip (Hybrid CrossFire) if you've got one.

Cooling ... it depends what your doing. The stock coolers are fine even under load, just make sure your case is well ventilated. But you'd be crazy not to get a well ventilated case if your using multi GPU's, doesn't matter if your using SLI or Crossfire, goes without saying.

If you decide to overclock then that's another story. Spending $$$ on cooling depends on how much you can afford and how far you want to push the hardware.

I'm probably coming across as a AMD fan boy but I can assure you I'm not. I only go for what will gives me the best bang for my dollar.
Not answering the question/comment. I am specifically talking about the 6990 - since its already 2 cards, interms of space, slots and heating is it able to go 3 way crossfire? I doube it thats 6 gpu die. If you bought a more expensive single card thats the better long term option.

As for value - yes ATI/AMD has been leading the pack until the 500's, but the 6990 I dont find special.

edit- apparently you can run two 6990s, which is four cards. But while each 6990 is better than a single card they are of course not a single card which limits future expansion: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...e,2878-16.html

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Old 03-10-2011, 08:46 PM
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I want to get a GTX 560 TI, but I'm not sure which one to get. One has better cooling (potentially a longer lifespan?) with a three year warranty, and the other has only one fan but a lifetime warranty. Any suggestions? Here they are compared:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100007709&Is NodeId=1&Manufactory=1314%2C1312%2C1402&PropertyCo deValue=679%3A100638&bop=And&CompareItemList=48|14-127-565^14-127-565-TS%2C14-130-604^14-130-604-TS
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Anyone buying a new video card at this point (two weeks) is making a mistake - unless they have a casualty or really old old card.

If you've waited this long, why not hold on until say the 26th?

Then, as the "gnashing of teeth" and "rending of garments" continues - you'll get to hear and see screenshots.

Plus, nobody on these forums (other than developers) have any idea of the exact graphics config in the sim. We don't know yet, for example if there will be "Nvidea water or ATI water/textures/reflections/shadows" or whatever....

Soon, someone will invoke the Mayan calander.... I just know it's coming....

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